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  • Mabbottusmc
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    I call the base first. I have several in my area. Call and make sure it's ok.

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  • RAMEDIRK
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    Originally posted by ice_fog View Post
    Evidently you did not read post #30, as I pointed out the regulation in place at FT. Knox which is where bsco974 was talking about.
    Where did the FBI agent give up his weapon? Last time I checked they had authority on a military instillation, something bout being the arresting authority (along with the Marshals). You know we apprehend they arrest, that sort of thing.
    Pretty wrong bud! Pretty wrong! I hope nobody takes this post as fact, they may end up in trouble. FBI has jurisdiction on base during certain instances, but jurisdiction has nothing to do with carry. Nothing! Two separate issues. Military and civilian laws/regulations have always been separate. I've worked with security forces during attache's where the SF//CC didn't want guys carrying on his base. Simple! I didn't read #30, but I don't have to, I know from experience.

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    Originally posted by ice_fog View Post
    Evidently you did not read post #30, as I pointed out the regulation in place at FT. Knox which is where bsco974 was talking about.
    Where did the FBI agent give up his weapon? Last time I checked they had authority on a military instillation, something bout being the arresting authority (along with the Marshals). You know we apprehend they arrest, that sort of thing.
    Exactly. Just being subject to the Military Code of Justice doesn't keep military personnel from being subject to all other federal criminal laws, whether committed on a base or off.

    I know DEA and ICE have made more than one case where military personnel were smuggling drugs into military bases on official flights from overseas.

    Relationships between federal agencies and the military are governed by MOU's that are written at much high levels than SACs and base commanders.

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  • fedguy889
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    Originally posted by MPSoldier84 View Post
    Are you referring to Fort Indiantown Gap? If so, remember it's a OPEN base in which anyone can drive through.
    Nope I sure don't mean Gap and I know its open.

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  • SoCalSheriff
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    DBL POST. I hit the button too many times waiting for a slow server.....
    Last edited by SoCalSheriff; 09-07-2008, 02:10 PM.

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  • SoCalSheriff
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    I carry regularly off duty on Camp Pendleton. Once I wasstopped by the MP's (five over). While I was trying to dig my military ID out of my wallet, he saw my badge. Asked if I was armed and I told him yes, its in the center console. He said thanks, have a nice day, and sent me off. No problems whatsoever.

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  • ice_fog
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    Originally posted by RAMEDIRK View Post
    If you carry on a base and the commander didn't authorize LEOs to do so off duty that is a quick way to get hemmed up. But be honest, for relations purposes, you'll probably get a warning and escorted to the armory to turn in your gun until you are finished your business on base. Remember this is off duty, not on duty......
    Evidently you did not read post #30, as I pointed out the regulation in place at FT. Knox which is where bsco974 was talking about.
    Where did the FBI agent give up his weapon? Last time I checked they had authority on a military instillation, something bout being the arresting authority (along with the Marshals). You know we apprehend they arrest, that sort of thing.

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    Originally posted by RAMEDIRK View Post
    REgarding Miranda rights that's totally bogus. You will have Miranda rights and then some. All civilians have Miranda rights, if you aren't given them the cops will be in a heat of trouble. You have Miranda rights on any and all US military installation. I've never heard otherwise!
    Yep, your Article 31B rights, which are your Miranda Rights and than some. For the most part they are the same but with the exception of counsel to military members they have JAG listed. In the Army you have to complete a DA Form 3881 almost always before a sit down interogation with the suspect.

    Originally posted by fedguy889 View Post
    Hmmm, interesting, I have done it on three different bases. All I did was call the provost marshal's office ahead of time. And I know of a base in PA that used to let LEOs come on and use thier range while off duty. And the officers on that base carried POGs to and fro work daily.
    Are you referring to Fort Indiantown Gap? If so, remember it's a OPEN base in which anyone can drive through. Also, most of the Gap is owned by the Commonwealth because it's a National Guard base; so PA laws apply, not federal. There are, I believe, some portions of the base subject to federal territorial laws. Military laws apply, but only to servicemembers. Many law enforcement use the ranges down there and the National Counterdrug Training Center uses it. Even in those cases however, they have rules regarding carrying off duty.

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  • DACP
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    Originally posted by Woofdog View Post
    Here is a perfect example of totally untrue bull crap.

    This posting is so full of disinformation, I don't even want to start ...
    I was thinking the same thing, sorry but I do not see an FBI agent (the ones who actually ARREST on post) giving up his duty weapon.

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  • brad601
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    My unit commander has no problim with TX Peace Officers carrying at drill. As for bases its don't ask don't tell. As a rule whenever were doing training I NEVER bring a hot weapon into a training enviroment. When it come to my two weeks I won't carry too many thieves in the barracks I don't trust a masterlock on a footlocker to keep my firearm safe. As for base not a problim. Just don't advertise.

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  • Woofdog
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    Originally posted by ofc479 View Post
    When I was going to Fort Knox to visit a military buddy, I took my off duty glock 27. I showed the police on base my creds and had no problems.


    And most of the time, that's exactly what happens.

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  • Woofdog
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    Originally posted by fedguy889 View Post
    Hmmm, interesting, I have done it on three different bases. All I did was call the provost marshal's office ahead of time. And I know of a base in PA that used to let LEOs come on and use thier range while off duty. And the officers on that base carried POGs to and fro work daily.


    Me too. As a military retiree and sworn LEO, I've carried on military bases in Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, and Washington, DC.

    It's a non issue.

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  • Woofdog
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    Originally posted by RAMEDIRK View Post
    The military has always been "its own" jurisdiction in a lot of areas. HR 218 doesn't mean squat on a military installation. We have off duty cops come on base all the time and they have to lock their firearms in the armory unless the cop commander says otherwise. I've seen an FBI agent surrender his weapon on base because the commander did not want him carrying his gun while attending a ceremony. Unless you are a MCIO it depends on the cop commander. Now even MCIOs may have problems during cross service base visits. Such as OSI visiting an Army base, CID going to a Navy base, etc....


    Here is a perfect example of totally untrue bull crap.

    This posting is so full of disinformation, I don't even want to start ...

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    The only bases I have ever been asked to check my weapon on was Guantanamo (where they just asked us to leave them in the helicopter we arrived on) and at Fort Benning when I was there for a week of training and they asked us not to bring them with us as they didn't have storage facilities for the number of us who came, and didnt want us armed during the training.

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  • ofc479
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    When I was going to Fort Knox to visit a military buddy, I took my off duty glock 27. I showed the police on base my creds and had no problems.

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