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  • #16
    Originally posted by hobbsie711 View Post
    I'm a reservist and a sheriff's deputy in the Kansas City area. I am very adament (sp?) about carrying off duty. I was getting ready to wander up to Ft Leavenworth for something and the thought occured to me am I authorized to carry off duty on the base? Does anyone have any experience with this at all? I didn't know if any of the base law enforcement would be on here.

    Hobbsie


    If you're an LEO and have your credentials, you won't have any problem carrying on base as long as you're discreet.
    Politically Correct? No.

    Truthful? Yes!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by LT Dangle View Post
      It doesn't cover the military cops to carry either.


      Except civilian special agents of DCIS, Army CID, Air Force OSI, and NCIS (who have statutory powers of arrest under federal law, and are covered).
      Politically Correct? No.

      Truthful? Yes!

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      • #18
        Originally posted by jakflak View Post
        So HR 218 doesn't cover us on a base?
        No, it does not.
        Steve

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        • #19
          I was in military LE for about 10 years before I crosstrained into another career field and have had this issue come up before on several occasions. Ultimately it is up to the base commander. Typically if you are in uniform and acting in an official capacity you can carry on the base. However, I believe your question asked if you were off duty.
          The official answer to the question is NO you cannot. However, does that mean that reservists who are full time LE go unarmed all the time? Of course not. It's all about discretion and not drawing attention to it. Regardless of what others have said, you can get in trouble if you are caught with a weapon on base. Your badge and creds may not save you. I've seen that happen numerous times. Normally I had to confiscate the weapon, escort the person to the front gate, and return their weapon. If the person was a total jerk about it their employing agency was also notified. There are other variations to this as well but I hope you get the general idea.
          I can't believe I do this for free!

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          • #20
            You can not carry. If you get caught, you will be prosecuted federally. Federal charges is no good.

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            • #21
              A few months back, my wife and I went on vacation near a base in MS. They had a museum on base that we wanted to see so I left my BUG in the car and walked up to the gate to inquire about bringing it on base. They said no, even with my credentials.

              So, I left it secured in the car, took the bikes off the bike rack, and peddled in to the museum. Made for a nice visit.

              In short, ask first. If they say, "no" then don't chance it. It just isn't worth ticking them off.

              One more thing to remember, when you enter the base you lose you constitutional protection from unreasonable search. I had my car searched several times when I was in the Navy.

              DTN
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              • #22
                Originally posted by DoTheNumbers View Post
                A few months back, my wife and I went on vacation near a base in MS. They had a museum on base that we wanted to see so I left my BUG in the car and walked up to the gate to inquire about bringing it on base. They said no, even with my credentials.

                So, I left it secured in the car, took the bikes off the bike rack, and peddled in to the museum. Made for a nice visit.

                In short, ask first. If they say, "no" then don't chance it. It just isn't worth ticking them off.

                One more thing to remember, when you enter the base you lose you constitutional protection from unreasonable search. I had my car searched several times when I was in the Navy.

                DTN
                Thats a myth. It may have worked back in the day when I was in too but I can assure you, these days is a whole 'nuther animal. Its been challenged in court and they still must have reasonable suspicion or probably cause. This is a touchy subject for many installations and its only a matter of time before this goes to the big boys court. So basically, those big brown signs at each entrance to any installation, no matter the branch are no longer accurate.

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                • #23
                  I don't know Levenworth. I was an office in Anchorage. We had joint jurisdiction on Fort Richardson and EAFB. There was no problem with carrying either on or off duty.

                  Also I might add, I was in the AK ARNG while I was with APD. A couple Gurad people questioned me and I politly told them to pound sand. NG Based were State Property, (unless they are on a military instalation, see the above paragraph). State law allows cops in Alaska to carry (actually dept policey required it).

                  Base commanders have the final say. I know at the Benning School for Boys the didn't care if we carried when I was going to the sniper school put on by the USAMU.

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                  • #24
                    I have not studied the issue, but would expect that the legal standards for searching a vehicle are different if you want to enter or if you are already on base -- just like crossing the border.
                    Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
                    Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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                    • #25
                      I answered this question in the Military LE. Call the bases Provost Marshal and ask. Typically only federal agents are allowed to carry without issue and depending on the base commander or PM you can end up in a bind. In my 24 year military career, I have seen two local leo's arrested for transporting their weapons onto the base while off duty, and neither were drunk. Both were traveling from work to their homes. It can happen, but its rare. Still the same, call and ask to be sure and keep documentation of who you spoke to.
                      Steve
                      Respect all ...... Fear none!!!

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                      • #26
                        I left the gun at home . Thanks for the feedback.

                        Hobbsie

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                        • #27
                          It seems odd but in anti gun Canada I can and have carried on bases without so much as a funny look from the MP's.
                          Cursed with common sense in a world void of it!!

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                          • #28
                            Ask First

                            I'm retired military now and still on-the-job as an LEO.

                            I carry onto a certain National Guard post all of the time. It's the same post I served on before retiring. We had many LEOs in the unit and we all had guns in our cars on weekend drills. It was never an issue.

                            Once I went to the sub base in New London and had to leave the car off-post because the gate folks said I couldn't go on base with a gun. Several years later, I was allowed on that same base without a problem. Once the Duty officer said: "You're a cop- we don't care if you have a gun". Then he went on to say: "Please don't shoot an Admiral!" I guess it was Navy humor.

                            I've been to West Point numerous times. Once they made me drive off post and go to the gate where the PO is. I had to leave my gun with them. Other times I've been allowed to carry it on post and once or twice they let me on but told me to leave the gun in the car. Once we went there on a motorcycle trip (LEO motorcycle club) to see a sunset parade. They pulled us all into a parking lot and told us to keep the guns hidden... then they let us on post.

                            There's a Coast Guard station I go to and it's not a problem there.

                            I’ve also been to quite a few Army and Marine bases around the country. It's a hit-and-miss thing when guns come up.

                            But, the asking first is the key issue. I’ve carried on Indian Reservations, federal parks, even into a federal court once. Ask first!
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                            • #29
                              I know at Ft. Knox you do not want to be caught with a weapon LEO or not. Remember on bases you have no miranda rights...
                              They always search POV's when trying to access the actual base, at least every entrace I've been in. With part of the base being in our county we work with the MP's well and often in an official capacity have no issues.
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by bcso974 View Post
                                I know at Ft. Knox you do not want to be caught with a weapon LEO or not.
                                4-1 Peace officers, when necessary for their protection in the discharge of their official duties; United States mail carriers when actually engaged in their duties; and agents and messengers of express companies, when necessary for their protection in the discharge of their official duties, may carry concealed weapons on or about their person.
                                Police officers directly employed by state, county, city, or urban-county governments may carry concealed deadly weapons on or about their person at all times, when expressly authorized to do so by the government employing the officer. Those Reserve and National Guard personnel who are on the installation to fulfill training commitments and are employed full-time as peace officers will register their weapons upon arrival. The units to whom these personnel are assigned are responsible for providing storage.

                                that is straight from there Regulation

                                Originally posted by bcso974 View Post
                                Remember on bases you have no miranda rights...
                                Bull crap, if anything the Military goes a bit over board when advising some one of their rights.

                                Originally posted by bcso974 View Post
                                They always search POV's when trying to access the actual base, at least every entrace I've been in.
                                It is actually an inspection, and you can refuse to be inspected. All they can do is turn you around and not let you on, it is all random not every vehicle is inspected.
                                Originally posted by bcso974 View Post
                                With part of the base being in our county we work with the MP's well and often in an official capacity have no issues.
                                What part of the base is in your county?

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