Disneyland and CCW update

[Looker]

We are going in two weeks! Is the Toy Story ride like the Astro Blaster ride?

I always thought the mountain looked like a howling wolf too.

Have you checked out Tom Sawyer Island since they made it Pirates Island? There are some very cool things hiding in the caves.

I'm not familiar w/ the Astro Blaster... are you talking about the Buzz Lightyear ride in DL park? Yeah, it's kind of like that, but it's not a laser gun, there are large 3-D screens and 3-D glasses involved. You gotta pull a little chain on the gun of the seat you get in, and "shoot" at stuff.

I've been to Pirate's Island. The kids will like it. There are tunnels to crawl around in and a few suspension bridges, and I seem to recall a "treasure map." It's kind of cool, the kiddies will dig it.

[madhatter]

i was a character at Disneyland years ago, and we used to get beat up once in a while in character. The escorts are called hosts and they really cannot do much because they will get fired for interrupting the guests good time. Most of the time however the guests are very respectful.

[willowdared]

Just went myself. No I didn't carry. Had a good time, got drenched @ California Adventure's Bear River Run. I swear the bear mountain looks more like a wolf howling at the moon, but whatever. Rust isn't a good thing for my baby.

Anybody ride the Toy Story ride yet? It's a blast. Not for the ride, but to see how high of a score you get. I saw someone got above 400,000 when it shows the high scores at the end. Amazing. I feel inadequate in the 150's range.

We are going in two weeks! Is the Toy Story ride like the Astro Blaster ride?

I always thought the mountain looked like a howling wolf too.

Have you checked out Tom Sawyer Island since they made it Pirates Island? There are some very cool things hiding in the caves.

[Looker]

Just went myself. No I didn't carry. Had a good time, got drenched @ California Adventure's Bear River Run. I swear the bear mountain looks more like a wolf howling at the moon, but whatever. Rust isn't a good thing for my baby.

Anybody ride the Toy Story ride yet? It's a blast. Not for the ride, but to see how high of a score you get. I saw someone got above 400,000 when it shows the high scores at the end. Amazing. I feel inadequate in the 150's range.

[SGPSO]

I worked security at DL for a while back in 2000. They used to have officers place their guns inside gun lockers. The same kind that jails use. PCO's are plain clothes security. They blend well and only "come out" if they really have to. They also LP walking around looking for shoplifters. Never met the ninjas, but, I did catch a photo of one of them.

[L-1]

This brings up a question about how H.R. 218 plays into all of this.

Also, has anyone carried on an airplane since the passing of H.R. 218? I'm wondering how the FAA / TSA recognize this.

Here is a summary I found on Police & Security News.

Where Can You Carry Concealed?

Current and retired law enforcement officers can carry concealed in all 50 states. Watson expects that, through legislative intent, the District of Columbia and the U.S. territories, including Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands, will be included. Officers can’t, however, carry concealed on personal or private property where prohibited; state and local governments also have the specific right to prohibit concealed carry in government run locations.

Although this includes schools, most state laws do exempt law enforcement officers from concealed carry prohibitions on school property. (LEAA uses the example of off-duty San Diego, California, police officer Robert Clark who, together with on-duty officers, forced the surrender of an armed high school student. Two students died and 13 people were injured in that incident; Clark received the San Diego Police Department’s Medal of Valor for his actions.)

Nowicki adds that, during air travel, officers must defer to the captain’s preference, as well as existing Federal Aviation Administration rules. “Some captains don’t want weapons on their planes, even for extradition,” says Nowicki. “But, for those who consent, it’s wise to tell the staff and any air marshals that you’re an off-duty or retired police officer and your seat assignment.”

It seems that they would want the extra security on post 9/11 flights but getting the o.k. from the pilot ahead of time would be kind of hard to do.

Any thoughts or experience with this?

Flying while armed is not governed by local law but by federal law, which HR 218 does not trump. If the captain of a plane does not want you to be armed, you either leave you gun in the pilot's cabin or take the next plane. (I have never had it happen to me.)

As far as knowing who else on the flight is armed - there is a procedure for that and you will know. However, discussing it in a public forum is inappropriate.

[dbphotos]

This brings up a question about how H.R. 218 plays into all of this.

Also, has anyone carried on an airplane since the passing of H.R. 218? I'm wondering how the FAA / TSA recognize this.

Here is a summary I found on Police & Security News.

Where Can You Carry Concealed?

Current and retired law enforcement officers can carry concealed in all 50 states. Watson expects that, through legislative intent, the District of Columbia and the U.S. territories, including Guam, Puerto Rico, and the U.S. Virgin Islands, will be included. Officers can’t, however, carry concealed on personal or private property where prohibited; state and local governments also have the specific right to prohibit concealed carry in government run locations.

Although this includes schools, most state laws do exempt law enforcement officers from concealed carry prohibitions on school property. (LEAA uses the example of off-duty San Diego, California, police officer Robert Clark who, together with on-duty officers, forced the surrender of an armed high school student. Two students died and 13 people were injured in that incident; Clark received the San Diego Police Department’s Medal of Valor for his actions.)

Nowicki adds that, during air travel, officers must defer to the captain’s preference, as well as existing Federal Aviation Administration rules. “Some captains don’t want weapons on their planes, even for extradition,” says Nowicki. “But, for those who consent, it’s wise to tell the staff and any air marshals that you’re an off-duty or retired police officer and your seat assignment.”

It seems that they would want the extra security on post 9/11 flights but getting the o.k. from the pilot ahead of time would be kind of hard to do.

Any thoughts or experience with this?

[MarioS]

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[Citizen85]

I am not sure if it was WDW or DL, I think it was WDW they actually used to deny LE entry into the park. I beleive a state trooper was escorting somebody who went to the park and was given the option to go into the park unarmed or not at all and he apparently chose not at all. I seriously doubt things are still that way though.

Disney, as has been stated predominantly uses undercover security for the appearance purposes and from what I have read they used to be very aggressive in apprehending people on the property and drove around with red lightbars but are more de-clawed on account of the lawsuits these days.

WDW could actually has its own gov. its all in the book "Married to the Mouse" a very interesting read.

[Rik357]

I have been to Disneyland numerous times with my baby glock on my hip (Whole family has season pass). The 80 year olds searching bags and purses is a joke. Like it was mentioned before, they are looking for food more than guns. I did not see a sign saying and no one asked me.

The day you don't carry and someone you love dies...you will die too. (especially in a big target like Disneyland).

[Defender77]

The real questions is....


Did ya' have a good time?!

Oh yeah it was awesome.

It was the first time for my wife so she was in heaven and the first time for me as an adult.

We were smiling non-stop the first few days.

[Cubfan]

You are not breaking any criminal law.....just the 'rules' for that particular venue......

all they can do is deny you entry, or 86 you if you are already in the park ect.......

You may also possibly be violating the policy of your department, if there is one that states that you cannot carry off duty in a business establishment that prohibits firearms on their property.

However, I stress possibly and if.

[willowdared]

The real questions is....


Did ya' have a good time?!

[LA DEP]

Regardless of any sign, I do not think you would be breaking any law by carrying a firearm that you otherwise could legally carry.

You are not breaking any criminal law.....just the 'rules' for that particular venue......

all they can do is deny you entry, or 86 you if you are already in the park ect.......

[cpd169]

An IWB with a Hawaiian type shirt has always worked well for me, including a spare mag, cuffs and Surefire Executive Defender flashlight. I've never had my pistol come out of its holster unless I drew it out and never had it be exposed. The key is that you dress around your pistol, not try to fit your pistol under snug fitting clothing.