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  • barr151
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    Originally posted by Defender77 View Post
    If deadly force was being applied to Mickey, say someone was bashing him in the head with a chair and the Mickey head actually came flying off so it was chair on skull contact then of course I would act.


    This explains a lot. Again, don't take offense, but are you a real LEO or are you still in the academy? I am not trying to dump on you, just trying to figure something out.

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  • injunwil
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    Originally posted by LA Copper View Post

    As for the situation regarding the Disney character and the patron who were wrestling, I too was wondering what you meant. Why can't you take action in a situation like that without your weapon? If you're gonna draw a weapon in a location like Disneyland, you're gonna need a better reason than a wrestling match... or even a fist fight. Keeping in mind that whatever you do is going to be on video.
    this is kinda what i was thinking. not only is it not warranted, but unless you cranked one off to get their attention, a weapon wouldn't even really be an effective way of breakin up a fight.


    i had to help break up a fight, off duty, at walmart not too long ago. not a pushing match, either, fists a swingin i never used any kinda weapon. furthest thought from my mind. they were old dudes, but (no lie) big, thick, HEALTHY old dudes my first thought was i need this on film for youtube. then i remembered i'm supposed to prevent this sort of stuff and grabbed the one that nobodyelse had. never ID'd myself, just yelled, "knock it off! both of you, knock your **** off"

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  • LA Copper
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    Pretty much every officer I work with, myself included, all carry our firearms when we go to the park. The alternative of leaving it in the car in the parking lot is not a viable option since cars get broken into all the time. Plus, all it takes is one psycho to lose it and want to make a name for himself, to start shooting up the place.

    Both Disneyland and DisneyWorld have security that are both in uniform and plain clothes. They also have cameras everywhere, including inside the rides where you can't see them. The Disney folks spend a lot of money on security, however, it certainly doesn't hurt to have additional help from off-duty officers who are trained for such occasions.

    As for the situation regarding the Disney character and the patron who were wrestling, I too was wondering what you meant. Why can't you take action in a situation like that without your weapon? If you're gonna draw a weapon in a location like Disneyland, you're gonna need a better reason than a wrestling match... or even a fist fight. Keeping in mind that whatever you do is going to be on video.

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  • JLee
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    Originally posted by Chief Wiggum View Post
    Thank god someone finally said this. I hope you have more tools to effect an arrest and/or defend yourself than your gun. You can't shoot everybody. How do you arrest someone that resists? Shoot them? All cops should take the initiave to learn some sort of unarmed combat/mma.
    I don't know about you, but I carry more stuff when I'm at work than when I'm on vacation.

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  • texaschickeee
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    Originally posted by PB3021 View Post
    Disney provides escorts? Hmmm
    Snow White
    The Little Mermaid
    Cinderella
    Pocahontas
    Belle
    (I hate that movie)

    just to name a few...

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  • Stewie
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    I myself, was unarmed and could have really done nothing to stop the altercation other than to be a good witness.
    So you need a gun to break up a physical altercation?

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  • stormz5192
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    I can tell you from experience that there are security and LEO personnel in plain clothes at WDW. They blend very well and are around when needed.

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  • yellowreef
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    Originally posted by Taylor13 View Post
    As for CCW's I bet I could find a way to sneak a gun in, 5.11 tactical FTW!
    No need for special gizmos. Everytime I walk into one of the biggest soft targets in the planet, namely Disneyland, I wear my regular pancake holster. Come to think of it, I'm sure the back of the handle might print a bit in the summer with just t-shirts. Never had a problem. Don't ask don't tell.

    Searching bags is a feel good measure for the public, most likely really meant to keep out snacks bought elsewhere rather than weapons. No metal detectors and no pat downs means that people could walk in with Mac 10's down their pants and suicide vest bombs on their chest and no one would be the wiser. Besides, I could live with being escorted out in the one in ten million chance that a security guard actually noticed I was armed.

    BTW I do believe that the conspiracy theory that puts tons of park ninjas running around ready to strike at a second's notice in the event of something gone wrong is false.
    Last edited by yellowreef; 08-10-2008, 05:06 AM.

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  • Defender77
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    Originally posted by barr151 View Post
    Don't take this the wrong way, but why do you feel you have no other options if you are not armed? If Mickey was getting a beat down, would you still feel that you were unable to act?


    If deadly force was being applied to Mickey, say someone was bashing him in the head with a chair and the Mickey head actually came flying off so it was chair on skull contact then of course I would act.

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  • FireCop86
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    i was actually at Disneyland on Thursday the 7th. i saw at least one security guard. every time i saw the characters dressed up they did have another employee with them. didnt really see too many of them walking around. it was really hot. they parked out in some shady spot and there was always a line of people waiting to get their picture taking with them. as far as feeling safe, i felt very safe. i knew ahead of time that LEO's or anyone else for that matter were not allowed to carry concealed unless on official business. this didnt make me feel unsafe at all. as far as seeing a character being beat up or whatever, if i was an LEO, whether i was armed or not i would help break up the fight. its not like LEO's can only use their guns. as far as i know they are also trained in hand to hand combat and all that other good stuff. but you know what does my opinion matter anyway, lol

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  • Chief Wiggum
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    Originally posted by barr151 View Post
    Don't take this the wrong way, but why do you feel you have no other options if you are not armed? If Mickey was getting a beat down, would you still feel that you were unable to act?
    Thank god someone finally said this. I hope you have more tools to effect an arrest and/or defend yourself than your gun. You can't shoot everybody. How do you arrest someone that resists? Shoot them? All cops should take the initiave to learn some sort of unarmed combat/mma.

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  • barr151
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    Originally posted by Defender77 View Post
    I myself, was unarmed and could have really done nothing to stop the altercation other than to be a good witness.
    Don't take this the wrong way, but why do you feel you have no other options if you are not armed? If Mickey was getting a beat down, would you still feel that you were unable to act?

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  • Defender77
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    I don't mean to do anything with this thread except to provide an update on what people might expect, especially LEO, at Disneyland Anaheim.

    That's all.

    No hidden agendas.

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  • SgtScott31
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    As a rule of thumb, any private property who bans weapons also includes CCW holders & LEOs. Obviously LEOs on official business are an exception.

    I'm not sure where you are going with this thread. I've been to Disneyworld 3-4 times in the last two years and I do not believe it is an unsafe environment at all.

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  • PB3021
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    Originally posted by willowdared View Post
    The "characters" at Disneyland are always accompanied by "escorts" so I suspect it was part of the act.

    If it was for real, they would have been intervening, or calling for security.
    Disney provides escorts? Hmmm

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