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  • LA DEP
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    Originally posted by kknudsen View Post
    And why would the park hold someone liable? Wouldn't it be the "wrong person" hit by the rounds or their family that would hold you liable?
    It's CA.....so ALL OF THE ABOVE, could be the correct answer.....including someone that was on the other side of the park, and got their feelings hurt when they heard someone was injured......

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  • kknudsen
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    Originally Posted by Defender77
    I also read some have managed to get their weapon inside the park, but I didn't wanna be held liable by the park if some situation did happen and one of my rounds hit the wrong person.



    And why would the park hold someone liable? Wouldn't it be the "wrong person" hit by the rounds or their family that would hold you liable?

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  • GGG
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    Originally posted by Defender77 View Post
    I also read some have managed to get their weapon inside the park, but I didn't wanna be held liable by the park if some situation did happen and one of my rounds hit the wrong person.
    You do realize that you are liable regardless of whether you are on or off duty, in a park or a crack house? Right?

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  • Defender77
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    I went into Disneyland with my fannypack and the holster still inside.

    The people at the front who check bags never seemed to recongize what it was, they only realized I was LEO when they saw my cuffs and badge in there as well.

    The security checkpoint guy then asked me if I had and motioned to my body, I'm guessing he was asking if I had my gun and I told him no, left it at home and he said to the effect, "Good. Otherwise we have to get something."

    I guess I would have had to secure my duty weapon somewhere had I had it with me.

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  • DoTheNumbers
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    Originally posted by DAL View Post
    I won't go unless it's free.
    You must not have kids. Went to the the one in Orlando last summer and whole family had a ball. The kids still talk about it. We will be going back in two more years when my youngest finishes kindergarten. It is expensive, but it was the best vacation we ever had. Well worth the money!!!

    That said, I still would have been more confortable with my 27 under my shirt. It is a truley target rich environment.

    DTN
    Last edited by DoTheNumbers; 08-10-2008, 08:46 PM.

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  • DAL
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    I won't go unless it's free.

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  • DAL
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    I did some searches and did not find anything stating that Disneyland (the original, in California) prohibits the legal carrying of concealed weapons.

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  • Defender77
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    Originally posted by barr151 View Post
    I am glad that you took the question well. The reason that I asked, was due to the original statement you made is common among rookies or ones in the academy. The way your question was stated made it sound like, without a firearm you were lost with no other options. You always have options, usually the amount of options correlate with the amount of experience you have.
    No problem I appreciate the feedback and am always trying/willing to learn.

    You know what was running through my head when I was watching this incident, was that these types of things always happen deep in the boonies (in this case, the far, far end of the park and far away from the main entrance where I'm sure a lot of the security are stationed).

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  • barr151
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    I am glad that you took the question well. The reason that I asked, was due to the original statement you made is common among rookies or ones in the academy. The way your question was stated made it sound like, without a firearm you were lost with no other options. You always have options, usually the amount of options correlate with the amount of experience you have.

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  • Defender77
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    Also, it was only my wife and myself who were at the park when this incident occurred with the large guy and the cartoon character.

    I had to think of the safety of my wife, the unknown "x" factor of whether this large guy had any other friends, also possibly intoxicated in the crowd who could come and jump to his aid if I got involved, and the fact I saw no security personnel around...not even an escort by the Disney character.

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  • Defender77
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    Originally posted by barr151 View Post
    This explains a lot. Again, don't take offense, but are you a real LEO or are you still in the academy? I am not trying to dump on you, just trying to figure something out.
    I am LEO, not in the academy.

    Based on the size of the individual and the unknown factor of whether he had friends who were also possibly of equal size and the fact that it appeared the large individual who was wrestling with the cartoon character was intoxicated, and based on my own physical size and weight vs. the big guy, it would be very difficult to subdue him using my bare hands.

    Based on his size and weight and based on my size and weight and training, were he to go to active aggression it would be very difficult to control this person using hand to hand methods. I'm speaking only for myself, mind you.

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  • caseypj
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    I've been to Disneyworld FL about 5 or 6 times on vacation, not sure how sturdy your CCW holsters are but I'd be a bit worried that my CCW would slip out on some of the wilder rides. It's been relatively safe, but last time I was there a fight broke out in Hollywood Studios and security was interviewing people trying to figure out what happened.

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  • cpd169
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    Originally posted by CUFFS137 View Post
    One point that has not been brought up is the fact that if you are truely carrying a concealed weapon (something other than a full sized, or compact gun holstered on your hip) it should not be detected by anyone, including a security guard.
    I carry everywhere, and have been to sporting events, and concerts where I have been checked by security with hand held metal detectors. Without exception, I have gotten in with the weapon undetected. In part due no doubt to the fact that these are security guards doing the searching. It could be argued that for 8 bucks an hour, they don't care that much. They'll likely be running the other way if some nut-nut emerges with iron in his hand, and bad intentions on his mind. Consider that if I am getting in with a semi-auto handgun, and spare mag, who else is getting in, and with what?

    Your authority to carry a a concealed weapon was granted to you by many levels of government, and with good reason. I personally do not pay any attention to those who would ask me to disarm (except when flying). There are sheeple out there who would prefer that cops not be armed at all, on or off duty. Bite me Mickey, I'm carrying, and you'll never know it.
    I completely agree. Of course, I won't go to Disney World in the first place anymore ever since it started supporting so many liberal agendas. I'll spend my money elsewhere, like Dollywood in Pigeon Forge Tennessee. I prefer the mountains anyway.

    If I changed my mind about going there, I'd still be carrying, and like CUFFS said, they'll never know it unless something really bad, i.e. an active shooter situation, happened. When I'm outside of my JD I make it a point to not get involved other than calling 9-1-1 and being a good witness unless it's a matter of life and death.

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  • CUFFS137
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    One point that has not been brought up is the fact that if you are truely carrying a concealed weapon (something other than a full sized, or compact gun holstered on your hip) it should not be detected by anyone, including a security guard.
    I carry everywhere, and have been to sporting events, and concerts where I have been checked by security with hand held metal detectors. Without exception, I have gotten in with the weapon undetected. In part due no doubt to the fact that these are security guards doing the searching. It could be argued that for 8 bucks an hour, they don't care that much. They'll likely be running the other way if some nut-nut emerges with iron in his hand, and bad intentions on his mind. Consider that if I am getting in with a semi-auto handgun, and spare mag, who else is getting in, and with what?

    Your authority to carry a a concealed weapon was granted to you by many levels of government, and with good reason. I personally do not pay any attention to those who would ask me to disarm (except when flying). There are sheeple out there who would prefer that cops not be armed at all, on or off duty. Bite me Mickey, I'm carrying, and you'll never know it.
    Last edited by CUFFS137; 08-10-2008, 02:10 PM.

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  • Chief Wiggum
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    Originally posted by JLee View Post
    I don't know about you, but I carry more stuff when I'm at work than when I'm on vacation.
    I'm actually refering to your two hands.

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