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  • #31
    Originally posted by barr151 View Post
    This explains a lot. Again, don't take offense, but are you a real LEO or are you still in the academy? I am not trying to dump on you, just trying to figure something out.
    I am LEO, not in the academy.

    Based on the size of the individual and the unknown factor of whether he had friends who were also possibly of equal size and the fact that it appeared the large individual who was wrestling with the cartoon character was intoxicated, and based on my own physical size and weight vs. the big guy, it would be very difficult to subdue him using my bare hands.

    Based on his size and weight and based on my size and weight and training, were he to go to active aggression it would be very difficult to control this person using hand to hand methods. I'm speaking only for myself, mind you.

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    • #32
      Also, it was only my wife and myself who were at the park when this incident occurred with the large guy and the cartoon character.

      I had to think of the safety of my wife, the unknown "x" factor of whether this large guy had any other friends, also possibly intoxicated in the crowd who could come and jump to his aid if I got involved, and the fact I saw no security personnel around...not even an escort by the Disney character.

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      • #33
        I am glad that you took the question well. The reason that I asked, was due to the original statement you made is common among rookies or ones in the academy. The way your question was stated made it sound like, without a firearm you were lost with no other options. You always have options, usually the amount of options correlate with the amount of experience you have.
        Patrick
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        • #34
          Originally posted by barr151 View Post
          I am glad that you took the question well. The reason that I asked, was due to the original statement you made is common among rookies or ones in the academy. The way your question was stated made it sound like, without a firearm you were lost with no other options. You always have options, usually the amount of options correlate with the amount of experience you have.
          No problem I appreciate the feedback and am always trying/willing to learn.

          You know what was running through my head when I was watching this incident, was that these types of things always happen deep in the boonies (in this case, the far, far end of the park and far away from the main entrance where I'm sure a lot of the security are stationed).

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          • #35
            I did some searches and did not find anything stating that Disneyland (the original, in California) prohibits the legal carrying of concealed weapons.
            Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
            Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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            • #36
              I won't go unless it's free.
              Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. -- Aldous Huxley
              Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. -- Albert Einstein

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              • #37
                Originally posted by DAL View Post
                I won't go unless it's free.
                You must not have kids. Went to the the one in Orlando last summer and whole family had a ball. The kids still talk about it. We will be going back in two more years when my youngest finishes kindergarten. It is expensive, but it was the best vacation we ever had. Well worth the money!!!

                That said, I still would have been more confortable with my 27 under my shirt. It is a truley target rich environment.

                DTN
                Last edited by DoTheNumbers; 08-10-2008, 09:46 PM.
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                it is one we are creating.
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                they are to be made.
                And the activity of making them
                changes both the creator,
                and the destination.

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                • #38
                  I went into Disneyland with my fannypack and the holster still inside.

                  The people at the front who check bags never seemed to recongize what it was, they only realized I was LEO when they saw my cuffs and badge in there as well.

                  The security checkpoint guy then asked me if I had and motioned to my body, I'm guessing he was asking if I had my gun and I told him no, left it at home and he said to the effect, "Good. Otherwise we have to get something."

                  I guess I would have had to secure my duty weapon somewhere had I had it with me.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Defender77 View Post
                    I also read some have managed to get their weapon inside the park, but I didn't wanna be held liable by the park if some situation did happen and one of my rounds hit the wrong person.
                    You do realize that you are liable regardless of whether you are on or off duty, in a park or a crack house? Right?

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                    • #40
                      Originally Posted by Defender77
                      I also read some have managed to get their weapon inside the park, but I didn't wanna be held liable by the park if some situation did happen and one of my rounds hit the wrong person.



                      And why would the park hold someone liable? Wouldn't it be the "wrong person" hit by the rounds or their family that would hold you liable?
                      There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. - Edmund Burke

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by kknudsen View Post
                        And why would the park hold someone liable? Wouldn't it be the "wrong person" hit by the rounds or their family that would hold you liable?
                        It's CA.....so ALL OF THE ABOVE, could be the correct answer.....including someone that was on the other side of the park, and got their feelings hurt when they heard someone was injured......
                        The posts on this forum by this poster are of his personal opinion, and his personal opinion alone

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Defender77 View Post
                          I went into Disneyland with my fannypack and the holster still inside.

                          The people at the front who check bags never seemed to recongize what it was, they only realized I was LEO when they saw my cuffs and badge in there as well.

                          The security checkpoint guy then asked me if I had and motioned to my body, I'm guessing he was asking if I had my gun and I told him no, left it at home and he said to the effect, "Good. Otherwise we have to get something."

                          I guess I would have had to secure my duty weapon somewhere had I had it with me.

                          You wear a fanny pack even WITHOUT a gun in it? It's 2008. The ONLY reason to have a fanny pack is if you're carrying a gun, or if you're on a guided field day with your retirement community friends. If you're wearing a fanny pack and you're not a senior citizen or a complete, hopeless nerd, 90% of the public immediately knows you're a cop. Yes, I know that's a bit harsh but guys who still rock the fanny pack need to realize that you're not fooling anyone. The average person on the street knows what you've got inside it.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Meat View Post
                            You wear a fanny pack even WITHOUT a gun in it? It's 2008. The ONLY reason to have a fanny pack is if you're carrying a gun, or if you're on a guided field day with your retirement community friends. If you're wearing a fanny pack and you're not a senior citizen or a complete, hopeless nerd, 90% of the public immediately knows you're a cop. Yes, I know that's a bit harsh but guys who still rock the fanny pack need to realize that you're not fooling anyone. The average person on the street knows what you've got inside it.
                            If you saw me in public chances are you'd think I was a foreigner and most likely a student on a VISA or a tourist.

                            I kid you not.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by GGG View Post
                              You do realize that you are liable regardless of whether you are on or off duty, in a park or a crack house? Right?
                              Absolutely.

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                              • #45
                                Just FYI, the majority of the security staff at Disneyland are in civilian clothes and not easy to spot. The uniformed guys are visible to act as a general deterrent. Also, a great number of security are off duty cops.
                                Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence!

                                [George Washington (1732 - 1799)]

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