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  • #16
    Originally posted by barr151 View Post
    Don't take this the wrong way, but why do you feel you have no other options if you are not armed? If Mickey was getting a beat down, would you still feel that you were unable to act?
    Thank god someone finally said this. I hope you have more tools to effect an arrest and/or defend yourself than your gun. You can't shoot everybody. How do you arrest someone that resists? Shoot them? All cops should take the initiave to learn some sort of unarmed combat/mma.
    Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead.

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    • #17
      i was actually at Disneyland on Thursday the 7th. i saw at least one security guard. every time i saw the characters dressed up they did have another employee with them. didnt really see too many of them walking around. it was really hot. they parked out in some shady spot and there was always a line of people waiting to get their picture taking with them. as far as feeling safe, i felt very safe. i knew ahead of time that LEO's or anyone else for that matter were not allowed to carry concealed unless on official business. this didnt make me feel unsafe at all. as far as seeing a character being beat up or whatever, if i was an LEO, whether i was armed or not i would help break up the fight. its not like LEO's can only use their guns. as far as i know they are also trained in hand to hand combat and all that other good stuff. but you know what does my opinion matter anyway, lol
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      • #18
        Originally posted by barr151 View Post
        Don't take this the wrong way, but why do you feel you have no other options if you are not armed? If Mickey was getting a beat down, would you still feel that you were unable to act?


        If deadly force was being applied to Mickey, say someone was bashing him in the head with a chair and the Mickey head actually came flying off so it was chair on skull contact then of course I would act.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Taylor13 View Post
          As for CCW's I bet I could find a way to sneak a gun in, 5.11 tactical FTW!
          No need for special gizmos. Everytime I walk into one of the biggest soft targets in the planet, namely Disneyland, I wear my regular pancake holster. Come to think of it, I'm sure the back of the handle might print a bit in the summer with just t-shirts. Never had a problem. Don't ask don't tell.

          Searching bags is a feel good measure for the public, most likely really meant to keep out snacks bought elsewhere rather than weapons. No metal detectors and no pat downs means that people could walk in with Mac 10's down their pants and suicide vest bombs on their chest and no one would be the wiser. Besides, I could live with being escorted out in the one in ten million chance that a security guard actually noticed I was armed.

          BTW I do believe that the conspiracy theory that puts tons of park ninjas running around ready to strike at a second's notice in the event of something gone wrong is false.
          Last edited by yellowreef; 08-10-2008, 06:06 AM.
          "You don't want the truth because, deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall... I have neither the time, nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it."

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          • #20
            I can tell you from experience that there are security and LEO personnel in plain clothes at WDW. They blend very well and are around when needed.
            Being a good street cop is like coming to work in a wet suit and peeing in your pants. It's a nice warm feeling, but you're the only one who knows anything has happened.

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            • #21
              I myself, was unarmed and could have really done nothing to stop the altercation other than to be a good witness.
              So you need a gun to break up a physical altercation?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by PB3021 View Post
                Disney provides escorts? Hmmm
                Snow White
                The Little Mermaid
                Cinderella
                Pocahontas
                Belle
                (I hate that movie)

                just to name a few...
                ‘Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go.’
                Oscar Wilde

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Chief Wiggum View Post
                  Thank god someone finally said this. I hope you have more tools to effect an arrest and/or defend yourself than your gun. You can't shoot everybody. How do you arrest someone that resists? Shoot them? All cops should take the initiave to learn some sort of unarmed combat/mma.
                  I don't know about you, but I carry more stuff when I'm at work than when I'm on vacation.
                  summer - winter - work

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                  • #24
                    Pretty much every officer I work with, myself included, all carry our firearms when we go to the park. The alternative of leaving it in the car in the parking lot is not a viable option since cars get broken into all the time. Plus, all it takes is one psycho to lose it and want to make a name for himself, to start shooting up the place.

                    Both Disneyland and DisneyWorld have security that are both in uniform and plain clothes. They also have cameras everywhere, including inside the rides where you can't see them. The Disney folks spend a lot of money on security, however, it certainly doesn't hurt to have additional help from off-duty officers who are trained for such occasions.

                    As for the situation regarding the Disney character and the patron who were wrestling, I too was wondering what you meant. Why can't you take action in a situation like that without your weapon? If you're gonna draw a weapon in a location like Disneyland, you're gonna need a better reason than a wrestling match... or even a fist fight. Keeping in mind that whatever you do is going to be on video.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by LA Copper View Post

                      As for the situation regarding the Disney character and the patron who were wrestling, I too was wondering what you meant. Why can't you take action in a situation like that without your weapon? If you're gonna draw a weapon in a location like Disneyland, you're gonna need a better reason than a wrestling match... or even a fist fight. Keeping in mind that whatever you do is going to be on video.
                      this is kinda what i was thinking. not only is it not warranted, but unless you cranked one off to get their attention, a weapon wouldn't even really be an effective way of breakin up a fight.


                      i had to help break up a fight, off duty, at walmart not too long ago. not a pushing match, either, fists a swingin i never used any kinda weapon. furthest thought from my mind. they were old dudes, but (no lie) big, thick, HEALTHY old dudes my first thought was i need this on film for youtube. then i remembered i'm supposed to prevent this sort of stuff and grabbed the one that nobodyelse had. never ID'd myself, just yelled, "knock it off! both of you, knock your **** off"

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Defender77 View Post
                        If deadly force was being applied to Mickey, say someone was bashing him in the head with a chair and the Mickey head actually came flying off so it was chair on skull contact then of course I would act.


                        This explains a lot. Again, don't take offense, but are you a real LEO or are you still in the academy? I am not trying to dump on you, just trying to figure something out.
                        Patrick
                        Excuses only please the one telling them!

                        The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by JLee View Post
                          I don't know about you, but I carry more stuff when I'm at work than when I'm on vacation.
                          I'm actually refering to your two hands.
                          Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead.

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                          • #28
                            One point that has not been brought up is the fact that if you are truely carrying a concealed weapon (something other than a full sized, or compact gun holstered on your hip) it should not be detected by anyone, including a security guard.
                            I carry everywhere, and have been to sporting events, and concerts where I have been checked by security with hand held metal detectors. Without exception, I have gotten in with the weapon undetected. In part due no doubt to the fact that these are security guards doing the searching. It could be argued that for 8 bucks an hour, they don't care that much. They'll likely be running the other way if some nut-nut emerges with iron in his hand, and bad intentions on his mind. Consider that if I am getting in with a semi-auto handgun, and spare mag, who else is getting in, and with what?

                            Your authority to carry a a concealed weapon was granted to you by many levels of government, and with good reason. I personally do not pay any attention to those who would ask me to disarm (except when flying). There are sheeple out there who would prefer that cops not be armed at all, on or off duty. Bite me Mickey, I'm carrying, and you'll never know it.
                            Last edited by CUFFS137; 08-10-2008, 03:10 PM.

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                            • #29
                              +1

                              Originally posted by CUFFS137 View Post
                              One point that has not been brought up is the fact that if you are truely carrying a concealed weapon (something other than a full sized, or compact gun holstered on your hip) it should not be detected by anyone, including a security guard.
                              I carry everywhere, and have been to sporting events, and concerts where I have been checked by security with hand held metal detectors. Without exception, I have gotten in with the weapon undetected. In part due no doubt to the fact that these are security guards doing the searching. It could be argued that for 8 bucks an hour, they don't care that much. They'll likely be running the other way if some nut-nut emerges with iron in his hand, and bad intentions on his mind. Consider that if I am getting in with a semi-auto handgun, and spare mag, who else is getting in, and with what?

                              Your authority to carry a a concealed weapon was granted to you by many levels of government, and with good reason. I personally do not pay any attention to those who would ask me to disarm (except when flying). There are sheeple out there who would prefer that cops not be armed at all, on or off duty. Bite me Mickey, I'm carrying, and you'll never know it.
                              I completely agree. Of course, I won't go to Disney World in the first place anymore ever since it started supporting so many liberal agendas. I'll spend my money elsewhere, like Dollywood in Pigeon Forge Tennessee. I prefer the mountains anyway.

                              If I changed my mind about going there, I'd still be carrying, and like CUFFS said, they'll never know it unless something really bad, i.e. an active shooter situation, happened. When I'm outside of my JD I make it a point to not get involved other than calling 9-1-1 and being a good witness unless it's a matter of life and death.

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                              • #30
                                I've been to Disneyworld FL about 5 or 6 times on vacation, not sure how sturdy your CCW holsters are but I'd be a bit worried that my CCW would slip out on some of the wilder rides. It's been relatively safe, but last time I was there a fight broke out in Hollywood Studios and security was interviewing people trying to figure out what happened.

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