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[gotthblues]

no not why does my 4 yr old always ask why,,,, but i was thinking about the supreme court ruling on the 10 commandments and other related stuff,,, why is it that they will not protect religions that the county was founded on,,what ever the denomination,,,but the gov. will fight tooth and nail to protect and cater to a religon, muslim, that teaches KILL WHITEY AND DESTROY AMERICA,,, i know we are in a war,, but this just really upsets me. if you dont want to pray, dont,,,if you do, then do,,,if it is unconstitutional to say prayer around people who dont believe, isnt it also unconstitutional to tell those that do pray, they cant.

[tallmike]

no not why does my 4 yr old always ask why,,,, but i was thinking about the supreme court ruling on the 10 commandments and other related stuff,,, why is it that they will not protect religions that the county was founded on,,what ever the denomination,,,but the gov. will fight tooth and nail to protect and cater to a religon, muslim, that teaches KILL WHITEY AND DESTROY AMERICA,,, i know we are in a war,, but this just really upsets me. if you dont want to pray, dont,,,if you do, then do,,,if it is unconstitutional to say prayer around people who dont believe, isnt it also unconstitutional to tell those that do pray, they cant.

Have you seen any government displays of giant granite korans in front of your local courthouse?

Me either.

This country was not founded on any religion, thats where there is no mention of it at all in our constitution. All religions are to be kept out of the government and no religion tries as hard as christianity to get in to the government so they are clearly going to be more court cases against them than any other religion.

[gotthblues]

have you ever read the Bible,,,the majority of the laws in the beginning are very simular to the Bible,,,and crap,,,pull a buck out of your wallet,,,,IN GOD WE TRUST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how can you say that religon had no emphasis on the laws when the country was founded....did nt you read the news about the troops at guantanimo bay and the koran incidents,,, the people that briefed the reporters said "we hold the koran with the utmost respect" and "will protect it accordingly" WHAT?????????????????

[Tattoo'd Angel]

It's the separation of church and state, outlined pretty clearly in the Constitution of the United States of America. And seeing as how even the different branches of Christianity in the United States can't agree on much of anything even among themselves, how can you expect them to agree with the secular government?

[gotthblues]

i never said that church should rule the gov. and i didnt say that one particular belief should be declared, i ve never heard of someone saying a prayer and talk about one belief only,, they are general prayers,,,yet even saying a general prayer is unconstitutional,,thats what im talking about

[Straight Up]

i never said that church should rule the gov. and i didnt say that one particular belief should be declared, i ve never heard of someone saying a prayer and talk about one belief only,, they are general prayers,,,yet even saying a general prayer is unconstitutional,,thats what im talking about

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[Isla_]

http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_reli.html#original

[gotthblues]

http://www.usconstitution.net/constt....html#original

exactly,,and at no time have i said that the gov. should make one religon a law. however, as the site above says,,it is a violation for the government to tell someone that they can not discuss religon,,,and they have done that..therefore they are not respecting the religon(s) but as i said earlier,,about the koran, the guy talking about the soldiers flushing it, "we have the utmost respect for it", and will protect it,,yet according to the above site, they have not protected religon in america at all, by saying that you can not say a prayer at school events and so on.
i guess it just burned me up, cause we have men and women being killed to protect this country, and yes the war may also be about oil,,but it was sparked by a religon that says kill white people and you will be rewarded. plain and simple.. but if the soldiers did flush the koran, why should the gov. say "we respect it",,,maybe we wont tollerate that kind of behavior.
but using something that someone holds dear to put the pressure on,,,thats not wrong, crap, criminals are threatened with their freedom and seeing their families and so on when interrogated...i know they are trying to gbe political correct and all, but i dont know, maybe it was a bad way for them to respond to the allegations.

[Tattoo'd Angel]

They can discuss it all they want, in their own time. At the same time, it's AND JUSTICE FOR ALL, not just for those who believe the same as you do. The government represents all Americans, not just the theologically minded ones. I'm glad you support your cause, but would you support having the main laws of Islam, Buddhism, Taoism, Wicca, or any of the other religions that are represented by Americans posted in government facilities? Or would you think that it shows favoritism on behalf of those in power, and make you think that they wouldn't be fair to you? Try looking at it from someone else's point of view.

Oh, and unless you're native american, your ancestors immigrated here just like those today are doing. This country was founded in part because of religious persecution, people gave up everything they had to get away from people like Hitler, who supported the "one true religion." Do you support kicking out everyone in this country who doesn't believe as you do? Because that's what your argument sounds like.

[gotthblues]

show me one spot in my post were i said we should only have 1 religon,,,read more closely

[Tattoo'd Angel]

have you ever read the Bible,,,the majority of the laws in the beginning are very simular to the Bible,,,and crap,,,pull a buck out of your wallet,,,,IN GOD WE TRUST !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how can you say that religon had no emphasis on the laws when the country was founded....did nt you read the news about the troops at guantanimo bay and the koran incidents,,, the people that briefed the reporters said "we hold the koran with the utmost respect" and "will protect it accordingly" WHAT?????????????????

Last time I checked, the Bible was only for Christianity.

[gotthblues]

and my whole point is that no matter what the religon,,the gov. says you cant do it,,however in the post above with the web site,,it clearly says that the gov. CAN NOT tell you that you can not express religon,,which is exactly what they have done saying that if a school official prays out loud at a game, at school, or anywhere else,, then someone else has had their civil rights violated,,and can be sued which will more then likely lead to their termination. thats not showing any religon respect!!!!!!!!!!!!!! however,,"we respect the koran and will protect it" reference the koran flushing.......................................... .................................................

[gotthblues]

and that was in reference to someone saying that religon had no part what so ever in the making of the country,,,dont kill, dont commit adultery, dont steal.

[Tattoo'd Angel]

You can do whatever you want religiously, IN YOUR OWN TIME. Privately, I could care less what you or anyone else does, so long as it harms none. When it gets dragged into a public arena, in your job where you're forcing your brand of religion on others without their consent, THAT's where the laws step in. The same laws that protect you from being forced to bow down to the east, or statues of Ra for that matter, grant me the same freedom from having to believe as you do. Keeping faith separate from government is one of the things that are keeping the US from turning into a theocracy.

[Tattoo'd Angel]

and that was in reference to someone saying that religon had no part what so ever in the making of the country,,,dont kill, dont commit adultery, dont steal.

Personally, I don't need the all powerful father figure promising eternal damnation to keep me behaving. I make judgement calls in my own head for that. Right and wrong aren't governed by religion, religion is oftentimes governed by what is right and wrong. That being said, religion has been used for centuries to justify horriffic acts. Ever hear of the Crusades? The Inquisition? The witch hunts, not just in Salem Mass, but the European ones as well? Look into those. Good, god-fearing church LEADERS did all you listed above, and more, in the name of God. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.