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    I'm trying to wrap my head around why some agencies, (Utah HP, I think Texas DPS does it as well and others) will have the driver of vehicle they stop come back to their patrol car and sit in their passenger seat while they run them for wants/warrants. I can see a few benefits, i.e. seperating the violator from any possible weapons in the car and always having an eye on them, getting their side of the story away from passengers if it's a rolling DV, getting a close look at how they're acting, etc. It seems like a huge red flag, as when I've seen it done the driver hasn't been frisked for weapons before getting in the passenger seat. I'm wondering if there's someone who does this on a regular basis or knows more than I do that can shed some light and show me something I'm missing?
    "It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived."- George S. Patton Jr.

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    Originally posted by COMoparfan392 View Post
    I'm trying to wrap my head around why some agencies, (Utah HP, I think Texas DPS does it as well and others) will have the driver of vehicle they stop come back to their patrol car and sit in their passenger seat while they run them for wants/warrants. I can see a few benefits, i.e. seperating the violator from any possible weapons in the car and always having an eye on them, getting their side of the story away from passengers if it's a rolling DV, getting a close look at how they're acting, etc. It seems like a huge red flag, as when I've seen it done the driver hasn't been frisked for weapons before getting in the passenger seat. I'm wondering if there's someone who does this on a regular basis or knows more than I do that can shed some light and show me something I'm missing?
    Have trouble wrapping your head around it if you want

    The AGENCIES that do this regularly are highly trained in the procedure. There are many advantages and few disadvantages to the procedure IF the officer is trained .

    It has been a common practice with the Iowa State Patrol for many decades......(they also transport prisoners in the front seat)

    A good friend of mine explained as follows

    "The person would be VERY surprised if they tried something from the position of disadvantage in my front seat.

    It has worked quite nicely since 1936 when the only Trooper in their histroy to be murdered was killed by a violator. (The violator also died from gunshot wounds during the assault)
    Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

    My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Iowa #1603 View Post

      Have trouble wrapping your head around it if you want

      The AGENCIES that do this regularly are highly trained in the procedure. There are many advantages and few disadvantages to the procedure IF the officer is trained .

      It has been a common practice with the Iowa State Patrol for many decades......(they also transport prisoners in the front seat)

      A good friend of mine explained as follows

      "The person would be VERY surprised if they tried something from the position of disadvantage in my front seat.

      It has worked quite nicely since 1936 when the only Trooper in their histroy to be murdered was killed by a violator. (The violator also died from gunshot wounds during the assault)
      Interesting, I was just curious if it was more of a tradition thing or if there was a specific reason behind it. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it...
      "It is foolish and wrong to mourn the men who died. Rather we should thank God that such men lived."- George S. Patton Jr.

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      • #4
        Nope. You just put suspect into YOUR area, giving it up to them. You aren’t ready to respond to them, at all. It’s a stupid thing to do.
        Now go home and get your shine box!

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        • themoj0
          themoj0 commented
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          UGH i agree with you. BUT its true. If i HAD to do it, then they always went in the back seat. Besides, my front seat was filled with multiple duty gear organizers.

      • #5
        I just took a class taught by one of the Texas Highway Patrol Lieutenants. They're in the habit during drug interdiction stops of having the driver sit in the front passenger seat. The reasons they said were to take the driver out of their element and put them in the officer's. It's easier for them to look for signs of nervousness/deception/etc. He also said the studies show none of the officers doing so have been attacked in their own cars but I haven't done my own research.

        I understand their reasons for doing it but I'm not sure if I'd want to myself.

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        • #6
          The Ohio State Highway Patrol does it as well.

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          • themoj0
            themoj0 commented
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            This is not taught as a common thing there. My guess would be Criminal Patrol/Drug Interdiction unit type of thing.

        • #7
          So you search them before putting them in the front seat where they have access to the running car, hear the radio traffic, and can launch an attack...?
          Last edited by CCCSD; 09-21-2019, 11:50 AM.
          Now go home and get your shine box!

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          • #8
            It would make me nervous to have a suspect driver or occupant up front with me while I'm tapping on the mdt or talking on the radio. First of all that would require rearranging my passenger seat for accommodation. Ain't nobody got time fo dat!

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            • #9
              NYSP transports their prisoners in the front seat. I always found it odd but they don't have cages in their vehicles.
              Play stupid games and win stupid prizes. An all expenses paid trip with travel, meals, and accommodations included!

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              • #10
                Originally posted by WoodCo.Explorer View Post
                First of all that would require rearranging my passenger seat for accommodation. Ain't nobody got time fo dat!
                The agencies that DO this have their front seats & console set up for the prisoner/violator..............and the training for any contingency
                Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

                My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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                • #11
                  Nothing like having a subject one foot away from you... You have NO idea who they are, yet you’ll put them right next to you and your weapon. Yeah...brilliant move.

                  Now go home and get your shine box!

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                  • #12
                    I'm with CCCSD on this.

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                    • #13
                      Originally posted by CCCSD View Post
                      Nothing like having a subject one foot away from you... You have NO idea who they are, yet you’ll put them right next to you and your weapon. Yeah...brilliant move.
                      Originally posted by Aidokea View Post
                      I'm with CCCSD on this.
                      I’m aware of a few incidents where a driver of a vehicle was placed in the passenger seat while an officer ran them for wants/warrants, It turned out badly for the officer.

                      I agree with CCCSD & Aidokea

                      Last edited by BTDT2; 09-23-2019, 12:42 AM.

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                      • #14
                        What the heck???? Yeah no.... I would have a very serious talking to by a sergeant if I did this.....

                        if I need to pull the driver out they are either sitting on the curb or in the back of my vehicle.

                        The front passenger seat is reserved for a fellow officer, ride along or my duty bag....

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                        • #15
                          You’ll notice this fantastic technique isn’t taught by CA POST... think about WHY.
                          Now go home and get your shine box!

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