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    Good evening,
    I have heard that when Nurses and Doctors are pulled over cops general don't ticket them, is this true? Or is this a individual decision? Thanks.

  • #2
    As a former Officer I have ticketed Doctors and Nurses (mil and civ). I have never given any warnings.
    Former Police Officer (Injured LOD)
    USAF VETERAN 2004-2012
    "The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day."-LTC Grossman
    Emergency Services Dispatcher, APG MD

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    • #3
      During my career, unless a nurse was doing something totally outrageous and dangerous, I let them go with a warning. I found that they are normally overworked, underpaid for the job they do and are juggling the job and family responsibilities the best they can. They appreciated and deserved a break.

      Doctors? Most think they are above the law because they are important. Because Texas gives a physician responding to a medical emergency an exemption from a speeding charge, I cannot remember stopping a doctor that did NOT claim he was hurrying to the hospital to save a life.
      After stopping one particular surgeon for tripling the speed limit in a school zone, I allowed him to continue on his way....... but walked in the doctor's lounge at the hospital 30 minutes later and wrote him the ticket as he sat drinking coffee with a gang of buddies.

      Another time I was versed by my lieutenant about the physician's exemption after I cited one fellow that claimed he was expected to be at a hospital some 30 miles away to assist with a dying patient's care. When he called to complain on me...... he forgot to mention to the Lt that he was a chiropractor.
      If your biggest work-related fear is getting a paper cut, don't try and tell a cop how to do his job.

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      • #4
        Nurses are usually good to go unless they're drunk, something for which I have no tolerance. Nurses are typically underpaid and work ridiculously long shifts dealing with the same characters that we do. Doctors are another animal. While many are polite and get the same consideration given to any other citizen, some just think they are better than us. When physicians claim that they are speeding or driving recklessly because they are needed for an emergency, I typically have dispatch contact the hospital and verify. If true, they go on their way. If they are lying, they get every piece of paper that I can legally give them.

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        • #5
          I recall writing an Army nurse for doing nearly double the posted speed limit in a school zone WITH CHILDREN PRESENT. I was going to issue a warning, but when I explained to her that it was a few minutes after school let out, and there was an incident where a child was injured days before, she said “so, it wasn’t me, and I don’t see any kids around”. I figure it was time for discretion to go out the window.
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          • #6
            My state used to have a law specifically exempting doctors from the speed laws if they say tell us they are enroute to an emergency. Don't know if its is still on the books.
            Going too far is half the pleasure of not getting anywhere

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            • #7
              A friend of mine was a Viet Nam era Army orthopedic surgeon. He was called on base for an emergency one night and the MP's refused to let him on base as he had forgot his Military ID. No amount of explanation or pleading worked so he ended up calling the Hospital Commander to the front gate to admit him

              The next day all the shot records went missing for the MP detachment........................just saying
              Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

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              • #8
                Many moons ago I pulled over a young doctor who claimed he was on his way to a life-saving surgery. Not only did I not cite him, but I escorted him to the hospital with lights and sirens...only to later find out the guy had overslept and was late for his shift (for the third time that week). I was pi**ed. We told the hospital that if it's a true emergency they can give us a call and request an escort. Otherwise drive the damn speed limit and spare us the BS excuses. Never encountered another doctor or nurse on their way to save a life after that...

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                • #9
                  I remember letting one doctor go for speeding, but it was a very odd hour of the night, so he may have been legit. The one's I used to look out for were teachers since my wife was one. One day a male goes by me 74 in a 45. He turned out to be a teacher....who got cited. The weird thing about him was he married a woman, who I wrote a ticket to a year or so earlier for an improper turn that contributed to a collision, and she got hurt pretty badly. She was also a teacher. So, each of them had received a citation from me at one point in time, and they were both teachers. Then, a few years later, (I'm smiling as I write this) I mowed their lawn for a few years on my side business. Gotta luv a small town.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by L-1 View Post
                    My state used to have a law specifically exempting doctors from the speed laws if they say tell us they are enroute to an emergency. Don't know if its is still on the books.
                    CA CVC 21058 allows doctors to speed slightly over the speed limit while responding to an emergency. Just looked it up
                    Last edited by moparfan; 10-18-2017, 07:21 PM.
                    I'd rather be judged by 12 rather carried by 6.

                    It should be noted that any and all post that are made are based on my own thought and opinions. And are not related or implied to represent the department I work for.

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                    • #11
                      Personal choice, like any other stop, on the part of the officer. I've had one's that were legit emergencies and were verified, but I've also had ones where they BS'd me trying to get out a citation and talked themselves into a citation.

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                      • #12
                        I only recall stopping one doctor and that was after he had killed 3 people in a accident and took us on a 10 minute pursuit....We had to fight him to get him into cuffs....Blood test showed he was under the influence of drugs..Later learned he had a serious drug problem..Was convicted and sent to prison.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by moparfan View Post

                          CA CBC 21058 allows doctors to speed slightly over the speed limit while responding to an emergency. Just looked it up
                          What specifically does "slightly over" mean?

                          The code does say: "if the vehicle so used by him displays an insigne approved by the department indicating that the vehicle is owned by a licensed physician."

                          Does that mean if no approved "insignia" is displayed, then he gets the ticket?

                          It also says "The provisions of this section do not relieve the driver of the vehicle from the duty to drive with due regard for the safety of all persons using the highway, nor protect the driver from the consequences of an arbitrary exercise of the privileges of this section".

                          Which I take to mean... he is NOT exempt if I can articulate his driving was a danger to the public, OR I can reasonably claim his illegal response was made unnecessary by qualified doctors already being present at said emergency.

                          Note: I don't enforce CA law... just wondering
                          Last edited by Curt5811; 10-18-2017, 12:32 PM.
                          You can trust just about every officer you work with to risk their life to save yours, but don't ever leave your lunch in the breakroom refrigerator.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Curt5811 View Post

                            What specifically does "slightly over" mean?

                            The code does say: "if the vehicle so used by him displays an insigne approved by the department indicating that the vehicle is owned by a licensed physician."

                            Does that mean if no approved "insignia" is displayed, then he gets the ticket?

                            It also says "The provisions of this section do not relieve the driver of the vehicle from the duty to drive with due regard for the safety of all persons using the highway, nor protect the driver from the consequences of an arbitrary exercise of the privileges of this section".

                            Which I take to mean... he is NOT exempt if I can articulate his driving was a danger to the public, OR I can reasonably claim his illegal response was made unnecessary by qualified doctors already being present at said emergency.

                            Note: I don't enforce CA law... just wondering
                            Ya got me,, CA law is confusing at times. My guess if you feel that is speed is unsafe cite him and keep any recordings, ya know the doc will fight it. I've never hear or seen that insgina before. Maybe some of the older ca cops have. Outside of a big disaster I figure all attitude test if get cited.
                            Last edited by moparfan; 10-22-2017, 01:12 AM.
                            I'd rather be judged by 12 rather carried by 6.

                            It should be noted that any and all post that are made are based on my own thought and opinions. And are not related or implied to represent the department I work for.

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                            • RGDS
                              RGDS commented
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                              I once saw a red oval sticker with the words “MD and DO” it had the caduceus in the middle. I figure this is the sticker they are talking about.

                          • #15
                            Of course I have to tell one more story..... about a nurse I stopped for speeding. She would not give me her drivers license at first and continually belittled the police. Her attitude was so bad I wrote the ticket and as she pulled away, she yelled "You'd better hope you NEVER end up in my emergency room!"........ to which I took offense, so I called her employer (the only time in my whole career I did that) just because of the extreme hate for law enforcement she displayed.

                            Turns out she worked at a veterinary clinic. Chances of me being treated there was sort of slim, I thought.
                            If your biggest work-related fear is getting a paper cut, don't try and tell a cop how to do his job.

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