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  • Pulling Over

    Simple question. As a LEO, where do you want people (who you are pulling over) to pull over? Should people pull over ASAP or should they reduce speed and find a place that is safe for the officer to exit the vehicle and such?

    A lot of the streets around me have no break down lane but have very high speeds (35, 40). I have never been pulled over, but yesterday a cop came down the roads w. lights and sirens so I quickly pulled over. After he passed I realized that had he been stopping me and I had pulled over there he would be in serious threat of being hit. That happened to a Troopers last year. I thought about the guy who was being pulled over. I'd feel part of it was my responsibility for not finding a safer place for the officer to get out. (Not to victimize the guy being pulled over, mind you. Just an honest assessment.)

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    We pick the spot of the stop, not you. The average citizen has NO IDEA what a safe place to stop is. Pull over TO THE RIGHT as soon as the lights come on. Do NOT dynamite the brakes, but please come to a safe stop.
    Originally posted by kontemplerande
    Without Germany, you would not have won World War 2.

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    • #3
      Is that why cops will tail you for a while and then throw up the lights?

      Curious, not so I can go and look for the safe spot next time I get lit up, but what makes a spot "safe"?

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      • #4
        I want you to pull over where I light you up. I'm starting to get fed up with people that want to go through several stop lights and turn into parking lots (and quite often blocking in other people). I'm almost to point of issuing additional citations to people who don't pull over immediately.

        I'm not trying to be a jerk about it. But the law is clear, pull over to the right and stop. It is also in the driving manual and a test question on the Missouri driver's license exam.

        Other then that, quite often in traffic I may be trying to stop cars up the road, you don't know if I'm stopping you or someone else and if you keep driving down the road, it just makes things harder for me if you keep rolling. If you see the lights in the rearview mirror, pull over to the right and *stop* immediately, it is the law.

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        • #5
          Pull over to the right and stop immediately, unless directed otherwise by the officer through his loudspeaker. You are not qualified to decide where a safe place to stop is. The officer is the one who knows how he is handling the stop.
          Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. - Ronald Reagan

          I don't think It'll happen in the US because we don't trust our government. We are a country of skeptics, raised by skeptics, founded by skeptics. - Amaroq

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          • #6
            We have several streets in my town that are two lanes, both one way, with parking on the left side of the street. I have often wondered if someone is pulled over, should we stop in the right lane, (no shoulder) or pull over on the left side of the street like we are parking? I hope this makes sense. Thanks guys.
            When I stand before God at the end of my life, I would hope that I would not have a single bit of talent left, and could say, "I used everything you gave me."

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            • #7
              I don't turn on the lights until we've reached what I consider a safe location. Making me follow you until you feel safe is at bare minimum a guaranteed ticket for what I initially stopped you for, and that's assuming I haven't already started to call in a failure to stop on the radio. Best bet is to pull over to the right immediately.

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              • #8
                Obviously there is no blanket statement that will cover all situations as evidently different officers will feel and behave differently in the same situation. Different states may have different laws as well regarding the safe and reasonable manner to yield to an enforcement stop. California Vehicle code states a driver "shall yield the right-of-way and shall
                immediately drive to the right-hand edge or curb of the highway, clear of any intersection, and thereupon shall stop and remain
                stopped..."
                While the verbiage states "immediately drive to the right-hand edge or curb..." there is also sufficient case law to support an individuals right to slowly and safely continue to a location deemed safe by the individual."

                When I make an enforcement stop I expect the vehicle to safely yield to the right shoulder at a safe location. I don't want someone to peg their brakes and jerk the wheel to the right to come to an "immediate stop". I recognize also that there are a good number of people while due partly to ignorance and/ or stupidity have no clue how to behave or what to do when being stopped. Yes, it as annoying and dangerous when someone stops abruptly in the traffic lane, pulls left onto a narrow center divider of the Freeway, or drives an extra 4 blocks and pulls into their driveway acting as if they have reached home-base and are now immune to tickets. However, there is no fix for stupid.

                As an officer, those things do grate me but experience shows a clear distinction between someone who is attempting to flee and evade and someone who is simply clueless or who is trying to find a location they feel is safe. Basically, if you accelerate away, make evasive moves, quick turns, ignore traffic signals, etc. you will be going to jail for attempting to flee. If you slow down and make an effort (even if an-illogical one) to go somewhere you feel safe than we will be okay. I may offer you some better suggestions of how to pull over the next time and if you pull somewhere that isn't safe I will likely use the external P/A speaker and tell you where to go that is safe. Regardless, as long as you have made no attempt to evade and communicated your desire to pull to a safe spot by reducing your speed, inching over to the right, activating turn signal, etc. than you should have nothing to worry about.

                Bottom line is the Officer should be able to distinguish your intent to yield or your failure to do so. If you are absolutely clueless and do something like pull left onto a non-existent freeway Center Divider or stop in the traffic lane in a way to cause a distinct hazard and endanger peoples lives than you may get a bonus citation for failing to properly yield to an emergency vehicle (not the same as attempting to flee).

                However, on the flip side, if an Officer is so hyper-sensitive and full of themself that they are personally offended by you driving past their desired spot which they felt was safe (no doubt the spot was 50 feet ahead of where they activated their lights but it took you 75 feet to process and realize what was happening and to take the appropriate actions to stop) there is also no fix for that. You were slow to react, you weren't paying attention, or you didn't know what to do, that's life but that doesn't mean that the Officer should be grilling you excessively for it. You go on and stop at the next safe spot and everyone goes on with their life.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Fuerza View Post
                  I don't turn on the lights until we've reached what I consider a safe location. Making me follow you until you feel safe is at bare minimum a guaranteed ticket for what I initially stopped you for, and that's assuming I haven't already started to call in a failure to stop on the radio. Best bet is to pull over to the right immediately.
                  +1
                  My lights go on when I feel it's a safe spot.

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                  • #10
                    As soon as I saw this forum I wanted to ask this question, and I see the responses.. but I have a slight question on that. I have been pulled over two times (neither with tickets or warnings) and each time it was under conditions that I was forced to drive further.
                    The first time I was pulled over was as I sat at a stop sign on an unused short-cut, as soon as I pulled into traffic (After 3-4 minutes because I was at a stop sign and traffic was heavy) the officer put the lights on. At this point, the only thing I could think to do was drive across the traffic and pull into a stores parking lot a bit away..
                    The second time was the same, except this time I realized what was happening and drove through the entire parking lot waiting for him to throw his lights on, and he didn't until I pulled into traffic again. (I waited this time because I figure what he would do so I waited until there was enough of a gap for two cars to pull out into) - and that forced me back into the parking lot. So in these cases, did I do the right thing? Or should I have swung back onto the side of the side walk or gotten on the curb or something?

                    When I read this, I got worried. I am never worried about a ticket since I don't break laws; however, I do get worried that some will do like Fuerza and suddenly I will be "running."
                    - Btw, while I am not an officer (obviously) I do have a huge amount of respect for people who throw on a badge every day and become, essentially, walking targets in order to protect us. So when I am asking, it really is out of the fact that I simply want to cause as little problem as possible for the officers. And so glad to find these forums, it has been super informative in just the short time I have seen it!

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                    • #11
                      When I turn my lights on, its time to stop. Couple days ago, I lit up a car. At 20 mph, it took him 45 seconds to stop. He passed 3 parking lot entrances that would have gone into a dealership and he finally elected to pull into the 4th parking lot entrance for a Payless Shoes. Says he didn't want to stop in the road and he didn't want to inconvenience the dealership. Needless to say, $195 fine and $93.50 court costs.

                      I hate that crap, just pull to the right and stop. If I don't like it, I'll tell you to move.

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                      • #12
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by SRT936 View Post
                          We pick the spot of the stop, not you.
                          When I lived in Houston, it was the citizen who was given the discretion as to where to stop. There was a rash of people being assaulted and robbed by thugs in black Crown Vics with police lights. The chief of police made it official policy that if you're being pulled over and you want to drive somewhere safe before stopping (a crowded mall parking lot or a police station, for example), that it's your right to do so and you would not be penalized for doing it or charged with not stopping immediately.

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                          • #14
                            Is this stuff seriously that hard? I don't get it. It isn't rocket science. If the police are behind you with the lights on, pull over. Wtf??
                            For the cops out there: You are an adult. If you want to write someone, write them. If you don't want to write someone, then don't write them.

                            "Jeff, you are the best cop on this board"-Anonymous Post

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                            • #15
                              The lights come on when I'm ready for you to stop.

                              Slow down, safely pull right, and come to a stop. People who stop themselves "knowing" they are about to be stopped, pull left, slam on the brakes and stop abruptly, or continue significant distances once signaled annoy me greatly and will dramatically increase the chances of citation(s).

                              The other day, I clocked a convertible going upper 80s in a 55 zone. I pulled out of my spot and saw him take the next exit at high speed. As I came around the blind corner, suddenly there he was, stopped on the exit Apparently he "knew" I was coming for him, didn't want me to think he was "running," and thought it was appropriate place to stop. I had to slam on the brakes and nearly hit him...ended up being a lawyer with his toddler in the car.

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