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  • NJ, Failed the background for a student job at my college's PD, what's next?

    Should I just give up on my dream of being a cop? I’m going to be a 5th year senior in the fall

    I failed the background for a STUDENT job at my college's police department as a community service officer.

    My background is pretty garbage I think

    I have a simple assault report on me from freshman year of college (no charges just an in house report) when I got into a fight with a friend. Someone there who didn't like me, to begin with, called the cops to cause he knew it would **** up my dreams of law enforcement.

    I was reported as suicidal to campus police and I have an emotionally disturbed person report on me. I made some stupid *** jokes in a group chat and my friend with a history of mental problems went nuclear and reported me cause he was insanely paranoid that I might kill myself.

    I was medically cleared from psychiatric services. It led me to lose my job on campus which was also at the police department ironically. I was terminated from it and it’s under investigation right now from HR

    These two factors made me fail the background for a simple student job at the campus police department and now I’m just even more worried.

    I also smoked weed a lot for a period of 9 months during my junior year.

    I spoke to my Crim J professor who is a Lt. with the police and sees hiring, he said that this might present to be an issue, but as long I pass their own psych eval and the other stuff I MIGHT be fine.

    I’m just super worried but at the same time there’s LEOs who’ve had DUIs and marijuana usage and still got hired, I know it’s a stupid false equivalency but I’m just trying to see how garbage my background actually is at this point.

    My pros are that

    I’m double majoring in cybersecurity (IT) and criminal justice

    I speak English and 2 other languages ( Hindi and good in Spanish)

    My supervisors all liked me, I never had any work-related problems, and the ones at the job I was fired from didn't want me to go.

    I’m fit.

    Should I just give up on the goal of being in law enforcement or will a 5-7 year gap between all this **** after graduating and working be ok? I'm obviously going to be completely honest on my application.



    FYI I have posted this on Reddit so it might look familiar to some

  • #2
    The fight probably won't be an issue.

    Whether the suicidal comments become an issue depends greatly on the specific circumstances. Officer suicides and mental health issues are serious concerns for agencies...this will almost certainly be something that you will have to explain in great detail in any pre-hire process (long before you get to a psych eval, which costs an agency money that they are unlikely to spend if they don't think you could pass).

    Oddly enough, the marijuana usage throws up the biggest red flag for me. Yes, marijuana usage is generally considered very minor anymore, but the timing and frequency say something about your lack of good decision-making. Obviously, you knew your major and career path in your junior year, but still decided to smoke "a lot" of marijuana. That doesn't say much for your maturity or decision-making skills.

    None of these are automatic lifetime DQ's, but I don't see you getting an LE job right out of college.
    "He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
    -Friedrich Nietzsche

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    • silkyman123
      silkyman123 commented
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      Thanks. I know I was an idiot and I smoked dope cause all my freinds were and I wanted to just have fun. I know I made the wrong decision and learned from it to not succumb to peer pressure.

      As for the suicidal **** I was medically cleared and they can call all my freinds and they can back up that I’m a normal person, just one friend over reacted and went nuclear.

      I appreciate the advice. I never was going to apply out of college especially with the pot usage to begin with. My plan was to get a job as closely related to law enforcement as possible(so doing stuff in cyber security, maybe gvt contracting if I can pass their background) and stuff like that. Wait 5 years and then apply

  • #3
    I am going to go along with Bing Oh's assessment.

    You have a lot of baggage out there that is going to take some major time to cure.

    5-7 years down the road you MIGHT have better luck as long as you keep squeaky
    clean
    Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

    My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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    • silkyman123
      silkyman123 commented
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      Thanks. I know I was an idiot and I smoked dope cause all my freinds were and I wanted to just have fun. I know I made the wrong decision and learned from it to not succumb to peer pressure.

      As for the suicidal **** I was medically cleared and they can call all my freinds and they can back up that I’m a normal person, just one friend over reacted and went nuclear.

      I appreciate the advice. I never was going to apply out of college especially with the pot usage to begin with. My plan was to get a job as closely related to law enforcement as possible(so doing stuff in cyber security, maybe gvt contracting if I can pass their background) and stuff like that. Wait 5 years and then apply.

  • #4
    So, it is your dream to be a cop, but you assaulted someone (and it is their fault for reporting you), and you smoked a lot of dope? With your history the Univ. PD knows that employing you would not reflect well on their organization -- that's a no-brainer. You are not unemployable, but you will have some 'splainin' to do. Stop doing stupid things.

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    • silkyman123
      silkyman123 commented
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      I know I ****ed up I was 18-21 when all this bs happed add to the stress of school it was just a bad combo. I plan on working for 5-7 years clean then applying. I hope that’s enoi time to put between the weed , assault report, and the bs suicidal ****.

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        • #8
          I'm not going to respond to everything in your post. Instead, I'll just address one issue.

          Originally posted by silkyman123 View Post
          I also smoked weed a lot for a period of 9 months during my junior year.

          Now, lets take out "weed" and substitute something more socially acceptable like alcohol.

          I drank alcohol a lot for a period of nine months during my junior year.

          Do you realize how that sounds? Weed or alcohol, you have or had a substance abuse problem.

          Substance abuse is a significant problem with some cops. When I was a rookie, a fellow cop with a drinking problem lived in the same apartment building as I did. I can't count the number of times I'd come home at night to find him in his personal vehicle, stopped in front of his garage, engine running, driver door open door as he was about to get out to open the garage door. Instead, he was drunk and passed out at the wheel. Residents of the building indicated he had been sitting there like that for hours. In the morning he was too drunk and hungover to wake up and go to work. If his girlfriend called in sick for him, he got mad at her for doing so when he finally work up a little before noon. If she didn't call in sick for him after getting yelled at for doing so the last time, he yelled at her for that.


          Any prolonged substance abuse issue is going to get you disqualified on that alone. .



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          • silkyman123
            silkyman123 commented
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            It does look bad, you're right. But with your alcohol example, I drunk and smoked as much as any college student would, I wasn't dependent on it. I'm honestly not too concerned about that since in my state there are still people in the academy with regular weed use much longer than 9 months and not even during college.

            Despite that, you are right and it will be an issue and should not have smoked, or regularly for that matter.

          • LSUTiger9314
            LSUTiger9314 commented
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            I'm on the job in NJ. The amount of applicants with any prolonged marijuana use is small and is the exception, not the rule. Add in the mental health issues and you are sinking fast. NJ is HIGHLY competitive and most applicants won't have your history

        • #9
          Originally posted by silkyman123 View Post
          It does look bad, you're right. But with your alcohol example, I drunk and smoked as much as any college student would, I wasn't dependent on it. I'm honestly not too concerned about that since in my state there are still people in the academy with regular weed use much longer than 9 months and not even during college.

          Despite that, you are right and it will be an issue and should not have smoked, or regularly for that mattermatte.[/SIZE]
          No, you used alcohol and marijuana as much as you chose to. Not everyone is as immature and irresponsible as you.

          I would be concerned about your inability to make independent, responsible choices without succumbing to peer pressure. You also have a tendency to blame other people for your own poor choices. It was someone else's fault for reporting you after you assaulted someone. It was someone else's fault for reporting you when you made an inappropriate joke in an online setting where a person is unable to make any guesses about your mental state and must rely on what you wrote.
          "Respect is earned. Honesty is appreciated. Trust is gained. Loyalty is returned."

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          • #10
            Originally posted by ArmyVet View Post

            No, you used alcohol and marijuana as much as you chose to. Not everyone is as immature and irresponsible as you.

            I would be concerned about your inability to make independent, responsible choices without succumbing to peer pressure. You also have a tendency to blame other people for your own poor choices. It was someone else's fault for reporting you after you assaulted someone. It was someone else's fault for reporting you when you made an inappropriate joke in an online setting where a person is unable to make any guesses about your mental state and must rely on what you wrote.
            And now in his comments he is making excuses for his ADULT behavior. At 18-21 he was an adult. Those "school pressures" he is talking about are no different that what an officer contends with on a day to day basis.

            His minimalization of that behavior now becomes just as problem some as his behavior in school.

            I have changed my opinion to he will be a marginal applicant for a long time
            Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

            My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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