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  • At will agencies.

    are “at will” agencies harder to get onto, especially if you have no previous experience or certification? This would be in Texas that I’m specifically referencing.

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    On the surface I would say "at will" agencies are easier to get into for the most part.

    ......No hiring rules (Civil Service)
    .....Ability of the chief/sheriff to fire at the drop of a hat
    .....turn over higher

    But I have no experience since Iowa is a union state (for the most part)
    Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

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    • #3
      Honestly it kind of depends on the agency. Sometimes they are "easier" in terms of a more streamlined process. Since they are at will many skip any type of written test, PAT, or oral board, leaving only background, psych, and possibly medical. The flip side is that many at will agencies operate on a "good ole boy" system and you often have to know someone to get hired (or even considered for hire). You are also at the mercy of the chief/sheriff/mayor etc and can be fired for no reason at all. I worked for a small at will agency my first few years in LE while I was testing with large civil service agencies. My time there served it's purpose, but honestly I would rather work for an agency with civil service rules and protection any day.

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      • #4
        It depends on the agency. Some have a lengthy process with numerous tests and interviews to complete. Others have nothing more than an interview and a background check.

        IMO "at will" agencies are better because it's easier to get rid of the bad apples. However the good ole boy system can be a factor in it.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by westside popo View Post
          It depends on the agency. Some have a lengthy process with numerous tests and interviews to complete. Others have nothing more than an interview and a background check.

          IMO "at will" agencies are better because it's easier to get rid of the bad apples. However the good ole boy system can be a factor in it.
          On a normal day yes, but you are also at the whim of elected officials and their politics. Perfect example, our neighboring jurisdiction is a rather large Sheriffs Office (1200 employees, probably 800 sworn) in the 2nd most populous parish (county) in the state. Earlier this year the tenured Sheriff retired and appointed his Chief Deputy as the Interim Sheriff. One of the other chiefs who was not appointed immediately resigned and the two ran a rather nasty race against each other. I do not work for the agency, but I have plenty of friends who do and a very good number were scared to death of loosing their jobs or being demoted of the wrong candidate won. These were guys with 15-25 years in that would have been stuck starting over because of political bulls**t. Personally I have no interest in that. I like being able to take a test for promotion, I like knowing that the new mayor/chief cannot come in and demote me because I did not support them politically. Hell, I like knowing that if they want to demote, fire, or impose discipline on me they will ultimately have to show cause. I have known too many tenured guys that ended up having to work their way up from the bottom 15- 20 years in because they got caught up in politics at an at will agency. It was a great place to get my foot in the door, but I like my civil service.

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          • #6
            If you're a crap candidate you will never get a civil service position...but you might still get on with an at will agency if you know the right people.

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