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    I am a high school student really interested in LE after college, however the military is also something I am seriously interested in. However, I have two issues that I know I will need a waiver for. One of which is a non contagious skin issue, Eczema, and the other is OCD. I had issues with OCD when I was in 6th, and 8th grade, and went on medication for it for a while, however had not had any issues since (I am a junior now). Knowing this, I know I could face some issues joining the military. My question is, if I tried to join a branch of the military, and was rejected from service, would that look bad when I apply for a law enforcement job? I know you guys cannot answer on how either of these conditions could effect me joining the military or LE, so I am only wondering if me being rejected from military service could be a bar from LE. Thanks for your help.

  • #2
    In a VERY general sense, rejection from military service would not necessarily be a bar to employment in law enforcement. Each case would be evaluated considering the medical standards of the agency, and the circumstances of rejection for military service.

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    • #3
      I know a LOT of officers with OCD.


      Originally posted by dvdrns66 View Post
      so I am only wondering if me being rejected from military service could be a bar from LE. Thanks for your help.
      Law Enforcement and the Military are two completely different careers.

      In truth they have very little in common
      Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

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      • #4
        I agree with my colleagues. The only time military comes into play during the hiring process is 1. if you are claiming preference points and 2. if you received anything other than an honorable discharge. I don't know of any agencies that ask if you were rejected for military service.

        The OCD thing may or may not come up in your background. If it does, be honest about everything and if it isn't something which will effect your performance, you should be good to go. I wish a couple of the guys I supervise had a little OCD; they might keep their squads a little cleaner.

        “Truth is not what you want it to be; it is what it is, and you must bend to its power or live a lie.”

        Miyamoto Musashi

        “Life Is Hard, But It's Harder When You're Stupid”

        George V. Higgins (from The Friends of Eddie Coyle)

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        • #5
          dvdrns66, if you have eczema, do not join the military. You will be medically disqualified at MEPS. When I was in high school, joining the military was my dream. I too have eczema and it got me medically DQ'd. It sucked and I was devastated, but since you are in a situation I was in 8 years ago, I'll give you some advice.

          When you join the military, they give you a lot of shots. One of the shots is the smallpox vaccine. Anyone who has any kind of skin condition (eczema, psoriasis, etc.) can NOT take the smallpox vaccine. Google the words "eczema smallpox vaccine" and do some reading. To give you an idea of how bad it is, you should find an article about a serviceman who took the smallpox vaccine. He later went home and gave his toddler son a hug. His son had eczema and nearly died of an allergic reaction just from being in close proximity to the vaccine. It is NOT worth the risk.

          Your recruiter is going to encourage you to lie at MEPS. To be honest, the medical standards at MEPS are pretty high. If it wasn't for a lot of people lying about their medical conditions, a lot of people wouldn't be getting into the military. But in regards to your issue with eczema, DON'T LIE. Don't lie about any other medical conditions.

          I don't know how serious your eczema is, but I'm sure you've had flare ups. I get them every once in a while and it sucks. Imagine being deployed to another country and being out in the middle of nowhere for months. If you treat your eczema with medication or lotion and you run out, you become a liability.

          Anyway, I went into law enforcement a couple years after the whole MEPS thing. As long as your eczema won't hinder you from performing your duties, it should not be a problem. In this career, we are exposed to people who may have staph infections or other diseases. If you decide to go into LE, you need to keep in mind who or what you're touching. My eczema is on my hands, so I have to force myself to remember to put gloves on, because eczema causes your skin to have small open wounds which are vulnerable to diseasse through skin contact.

          I'll get off my soapbox. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me.

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          • #6
            Something I want to add. Unless things have changed, eczema is not waivable. I tried to get a waiver twice. Both times denied.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Zam View Post
              dvdrns66, if you have eczema, do not join the military. You will be medically disqualified at MEPS. When I was in high school, joining the military was my dream. I too have eczema and it got me medically DQ'd. It sucked and I was devastated, but since you are in a situation I was in 8 years ago, I'll give you some advice.

              When you join the military, they give you a lot of shots. One of the shots is the smallpox vaccine. Anyone who has any kind of skin condition (eczema, psoriasis, etc.) can NOT take the smallpox vaccine. Google the words "eczema smallpox vaccine" and do some reading. To give you an idea of how bad it is, you should find an article about a serviceman who took the smallpox vaccine. He later went home and gave his toddler son a hug. His son had eczema and nearly died of an allergic reaction just from being in close proximity to the vaccine. It is NOT worth the risk.

              Your recruiter is going to encourage you to lie at MEPS. To be honest, the medical standards at MEPS are pretty high. If it wasn't for a lot of people lying about their medical conditions, a lot of people wouldn't be getting into the military. But in regards to your issue with eczema, DON'T LIE. Don't lie about any other medical conditions.

              I don't know how serious your eczema is, but I'm sure you've had flare ups. I get them every once in a while and it sucks. Imagine being deployed to another country and being out in the middle of nowhere for months. If you treat your eczema with medication or lotion and you run out, you become a liability.

              Anyway, I went into law enforcement a couple years after the whole MEPS thing. As long as your eczema won't hinder you from performing your duties, it should not be a problem. In this career, we are exposed to people who may have staph infections or other diseases. If you decide to go into LE, you need to keep in mind who or what you're touching. My eczema is on my hands, so I have to force myself to remember to put gloves on, because eczema causes your skin to have small open wounds which are vulnerable to diseasse through skin contact.
              I'll get off my soapbox. If you have any questions, feel free to PM me.
              Good advice and info.
              Harry S. Truman, (1884-1972)
              “Never kick a fresh turd on a hot day.”

              Capt. E.J. Land USMC,
              “Just remember – life is hard. But it’s one hell of a lot harder if you’re stupid.

              George Washington, (1732-1799)
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Zam View Post
                Unless things have changed, eczema is not waivable.
                I had no idea; that's what I get for focusing on the OCD and not doing my research.

                “Truth is not what you want it to be; it is what it is, and you must bend to its power or live a lie.”

                Miyamoto Musashi

                “Life Is Hard, But It's Harder When You're Stupid”

                George V. Higgins (from The Friends of Eddie Coyle)

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                • #9
                  Wow I had no idea eczema was such a huge problem for joining the military. I was happy to hear that getting rejected wouldnt be a problem. I knew I had a uphill battle for the military, but who would have guessed eczema is such a large issue. I assumed my main problem would be my OCD to. Thats to bad that its a auto DQ, with no waiver. Thanks for the quick responses guys.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Zam View Post
                    One of the shots is the smallpox vaccine. Anyone who has any kind of skin condition (eczema, psoriasis, etc.) can NOT take the smallpox vaccine.
                    I can definnitely vouch for this. I do not have eczema, but my immune system went haywire when I got smallpox, anthrax, and the flu vaccine at once. I actually did get a little eczema as well as carpal tunnel as a result. Fortunately only temporary. There are big warnings when receiving the smallpox vaccine to not get it if you have a history of eczema.

                    As far as waivers go, in my experience, it will depend on how severe your medical condition is, your MOS (job), and how persistent you are. My recruiter told me to lie about some of my medical history. I did not and as a result I was rejected from MEPS. I appealed the process, rejected again, appealed again, and they finally sent me to see a specialist of their choosing who I managed to convince to write me a letter recommending a waiver. I have had no issues since then.

                    Be honest. Exhaust all options. Good luck with whatever you decide!
                    "Respect is earned. Honesty is appreciated. Trust is gained. Loyalty is returned."

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                    • #11
                      I don't want to burst your bubble, but..........

                      Dvdrns

                      Attached are California's medical standards with regard to eczema and law enforcement applicants http://lib.post.ca.gov/Publications/Derm.pdf

                      While these are California's standards, the medical principles behind them are fairly universal and do not stop at the state line.

                      I would suggest you take a copy of these standards to your dermatologist and have him review them. Then ask him if, based on those standards and knowing what he does about your condition, he would pass or fail you on the medical if he was the police department's physician who is being paid to look out for their interests instead of being your doctor.

                      That will give you an idea of what your chances are.
                      Going too far is half the pleasure of not getting anywhere

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                      • #12
                        dvdrns66,

                        Regarding OCD, I know a few guys on the job who have it. I don't know much about OCD, but if I were you, I would see a professional and find ways to overcome it. Best of luck to you. Also, enjoy your late teen/early 20's years and don't rush yourself into a law enforcement career. Younger cops tend to get themselves into trouble because they haven't matured or don't have enough life experience. You'll be a lot better off. Just don't get into trouble or do anything that might bar you from ever getting hired.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ArmyVet View Post
                          I can definnitely vouch for this. I do not have eczema, but my immune system went haywire when I got smallpox, anthrax, and the flu vaccine at once. I actually did get a little eczema as well as carpal tunnel as a result. Fortunately only temporary. There are big warnings when receiving the smallpox vaccine to not get it if you have a history of eczema.

                          As far as waivers go, in my experience, it will depend on how severe your medical condition is, your MOS (job), and how persistent you are. My recruiter told me to lie about some of my medical history. I did not and as a result I was rejected from MEPS. I appealed the process, rejected again, appealed again, and they finally sent me to see a specialist of their choosing who I managed to convince to write me a letter recommending a waiver. I have had no issues since then.

                          Be honest. Exhaust all options. Good luck with whatever you decide!
                          Thanks for the advice. I guess the military is still worth at least a talk with a recruiter, even if it appears eczema is probably a bar. Maybe a MOS I'm interested in doesn't require a small pox vaccine. Thanks again.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by L-1 View Post
                            Dvdrns

                            Attached are California's medical standards with regard to eczema and law enforcement applicants http://lib.post.ca.gov/Publications/Derm.pdf

                            While these are California's standards, the medical principles behind them are fairly universal and do not stop at the state line.

                            I would suggest you take a copy of these standards to your dermatologist and have him review them. Then ask him if, based on those standards and knowing what he does about your condition, he would pass or fail you on the medical if he was the police department's physician who is being paid to look out for their interests instead of being your doctor.

                            That will give you an idea of what your chances are.
                            Thanks for the information, I had no idea. Fortunately my eczema is not severe, and when treated it completely goes away. It also isn't directly on my hands (it is however on my elbow) but has never made me unable to handle anything. The only reason I actually have needed treatment for it is because I wrestle, and they are big on skin issues there. I'll talk to a doctor about this also. Thanks.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Zam View Post
                              dvdrns66,

                              Regarding OCD, I know a few guys on the job who have it. I don't know much about OCD, but if I were you, I would see a professional and find ways to overcome it. Best of luck to you. Also, enjoy your late teen/early 20's years and don't rush yourself into a law enforcement career. Younger cops tend to get themselves into trouble because they haven't matured or don't have enough life experience. You'll be a lot better off. Just don't get into trouble or do anything that might bar you from ever getting hired.
                              Again, thanks for the response. I have not had any issues with my OCD since 8th grade, and therefore haven't sought any treatment for it, so hopefully that mitigates the issue. Thanks for the advice.

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