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  • Did Poorly On Lung Capacity Test

    Hello all, I was hoping you guys could give me some insight.

    I have reached the end of the process with a police department in Southern California that is very hard to get on to. I was lucky enough to rank # 3 out of 500 applications and they have made it clear they want to hire me.

    I have passed everything, but I am having a hold up on part of my medical. At my medical appointment everything was great except the spirometer test (lung capacity/function). I apparently didn't do well on it so the city paid for me to go to a lung specialist and the specialist said I "might" have mild asthma. So the specialist and the doctor the department uses decided to have me get a perscription for an inhaler (Qvar) and come back in 5 days to take the spirometer test again. Well 5 days of using the inhaler passed and I went in yesterday to do the spirometer test and it was only a tiny bit better. My doctor who I got the inhaler from said an inhaler may not even start working in 5 days.

    So now the specialist wants me to get a CT scan to rule ot Emphysema! My BI has to check to see if the department will even pay for that. My BI also said he asked the doctor if I could do the job in my present state of health and the doctor said yes absolutely... so now its about seeing what the issue is, if there is one, and the department has to decide what they want to do with this dilemma.

    Just a little history (or lack there of)...I have NEVER had an issue with my lungs or working out. The word asthma has never come up in my life before this. I do 5k and 10k runs/mud runs/obstacle courses. I did amazing on the 2 physical agility tests for this department. I have NEVER smoked a cigarette or had any symptoms of emphysema.

    Any advice or hint of what you guys think is gunna happen would be appreciated.
    Last edited by A.D.D Cop; 07-23-2013, 09:15 AM.

  • #2
    OK, regardless of what we tell you, the decision to hire/not hire you, will rest on the department's decision. This decision will be largely based on what the examining Physician tells the department, concerning your ability to perform an Officer's duties from a medical perspective.

    None of us (to the best of my knowledge) are qualified to advise you from a medical standpoint. The examining physician will evaluate you according to the department's medical standards.

    All of that said, I sincerely hope things will work out well for you.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by PhilipCal View Post
      OK, regardless of what we tell you, the decision to hire/not hire you, will rest on the department's decision. This decision will be largely based on what the examining Physician tells the department, concerning your ability to perform an Officer's duties from a medical perspective.

      None of us (to the best of my knowledge) are qualified to advise you from a medical standpoint. The examining physician will evaluate you according to the department's medical standards.

      All of that said, I sincerely hope things will work out well for you.
      Agreed. And the doctor the department uses has said that I can indeed do the job. But now the department has to look at whether or not they are gunna pay for more testing to get to the bottom of this and see if this is something that is gunna come up later down the road. Which I don't think it will, but obviously I could be wrong.

      And again, I appreciate any help, advice, or past experiences with this issue.

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      • #4
        Medical hold-ups are tough. I hope everything works out and that you will be cleared to work.

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        • #5
          Even if the doctor clears you -------------------you could still have problems with getting hired.


          Heart/Lung problems are many times (and yes ESPECIALLY in California) presumed to be "job related" for insurance/retirement matters in the fire/police service. Many agencies will NOT hire someone who has prior instances of lung/heart disease because of the way the retirement law is written ---and thus a few years down the line you develop a serious problem and the agency has to pay out large on retirement because of the presumption that the lung/heart problem is work related.

          Quite honestly, you could quickly become a liability to the agency


          Who knows..................good luck
          Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

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          • #6
            http://www.bichlerlaw.com/heartlung-statute/
            Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

            My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Iowa #1603 View Post
              Even if the doctor clears you -------------------you could still have problems with getting hired.


              Heart/Lung problems are many times (and yes ESPECIALLY in California) presumed to be "job related" for insurance/retirement matters in the fire/police service. Many agencies will NOT hire someone who has prior instances of lung/heart disease because of the way the retirement law is written ---and thus a few years down the line you develop a serious problem and the agency has to pay out large on retirement because of the presumption that the lung/heart problem is work related.

              Quite honestly, you could quickly become a liability to the agency


              Who knows..................good luck

              Thank you for your response. I am realizing that I may have an uphill battle ahead of me. This is the first i've heard of certain conditions being legally presumed job related. The link you posted for Florida only lists tuberculosis as being a lung related condition that is "presumed" to be work related even if it isn't. I am curious what California's heart/lung statute is. I'm sure its similar.

              I guess I will have to wait and see what the department says since I have ZERO history of lung issues and all I have is a poor spirometer test and a "possible" asthma diagnosis.

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              • #8
                I realize that this might not state your EXACT condition...................but any agency can sure try to make your condition fit the basic idea

                http://porac.org/law-enforcement-pre...duty-injuries/
                Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

                My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Iowa #1603 View Post
                  I realize that this might not state your EXACT condition...................but any agency can sure try to make your condition fit the basic idea

                  http://porac.org/law-enforcement-pre...duty-injuries/
                  Yup....its going to depend on the agency....there is a LOT of stuff (mostly heart and back related issues) that are 'presumptive' for us in CA....and most agencies are reluctant to hire anyone with them, as we ALREADY have a good chance of developing various problems over a 20-30 year career....never mind if we start that career with them!

                  ADD....this may be a DQ with Simi....or not....only they can tell you that.....I haven't heard about us DQing someone with that, as long as they can do the PT part of the academy with no issues ect....
                  The posts on this forum by this poster are of his personal opinion, and his personal opinion alone

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by A.D.D Cop View Post
                    Thank you for your response. I am realizing that I may have an uphill battle ahead of me. This is the first i've heard of certain conditions being legally presumed job related. The link you posted for Florida only lists tuberculosis as being a lung related condition that is "presumed" to be work related even if it isn't. I am curious what California's heart/lung statute is. I'm sure its similar.

                    I guess I will have to wait and see what the department says since I have ZERO history of lung issues and all I have is a poor spirometer test and a "possible" asthma diagnosis.





                    The point(s) my colleague is stressing to you is your potential condition as it applies to California agencies. A California colleague has done numerous and informative discussions and advisories on these issues. Iowa very accurately summarized those discussions.

                    Please understand that none of us wish you anything but success in your efforts to be hired by a California agency. The California standards were merely brought up as a factual consideration for you, and an attempt to fully answer your very valid question.

                    Once more and sincerely, the very best of luck in your aspirations.

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                    • #11
                      I barely passed that same test. And same as you I run, don't smoke, and I have never been diagnosed with any lung problems. I don't lose my breath easily or have any symptoms of having any breathing issues. Fat elderly smokers do better on that test than I do, even though I could run circles around them. Hope everything works out.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by LA DEP View Post
                        Yup....its going to depend on the agency....there is a LOT of stuff (mostly heart and back related issues) that are 'presumptive' for us in CA....and most agencies are reluctant to hire anyone with them, as we ALREADY have a good chance of developing various problems over a 20-30 year career....never mind if we start that career with them!

                        ADD....this may be a DQ with Simi....or not....only they can tell you that.....I haven't heard about us DQing someone with that, as long as they can do the PT part of the academy with no issues ect....

                        Thank you for your responses. My BI called me a few hours ago and gave me some more information. My BI and the hiring Lieutenant are going to talk to the city attorney tomorrow and address the POSSIBLE future issues subject. He said that the doctor has infact cleared me for hire, but he and the department have to do their due diligence in addressing the question of whether or not I may develop debilitating issues later in life.

                        My BI and I talked for awhile and decided that I would go to my doctor (kaiser) and talk to the lung specialist there. I just got back from there and the lung specialist basically said the doctors the department is using are making a mountain out of a mole hill and that at best I have mild asthma and that is it. Furthermore, the kaiser lung specialist said due to the fact that I have no symptoms of asthma now or in the past that, that he doesn't think I have asthma and that he completely disagrees with the first lung specialist's decision to have me get an inhaler and suggestion that I get a CT scan to test for EMPHYSEMA.

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                        • #13
                          You might want to read here http://lib.post.ca.gov/Publications/Respir.pdf

                          Perhaps this will explain the department's concerns.
                          Going too far is half the pleasure of not getting anywhere

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                          • #14
                            Being a recent heart patient after surgery I had a spirometer exerciser I used every day. You can, with practice, increase your lung capacity. Within 4 weeks of having a quad bypass, I could peg the machine at 1500 ml. That was inhaling. Since then, I have kept the machine and can peg it and keep it pegged in a quarter of the time it took me.

                            http://www.wikihow.com/Increase-Your-Lung-Capacity

                            Then retake the test.
                            Pete Malloy, "The only thing black and white about this job is the car."

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                            • #15
                              As someone who used to live in SoCal for a few years.
                              Before I loved there I was as healthy as can be, the pollution there caused me to require asthma medication, used it once every few days, especially in the Summer with the increase of the smog and the forest fires.
                              I left SoCal, moved up north, in less than a few months, I stopped needing the medication and haven't needed it for almost 10 years. My doctor told me that living in SoCal isn't good for your health.

                              That taste of burnt fuel that you have in your mouth when you're out driving on the freeway, that brown haze in the air, aren't good for you. If you don't notice these things, it means you have lived there too long. Something for you to think about in the long run.

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