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  • How are serious felony offenses that occurred as youth viewed?

    I understand that some amount of "youthful indiscretions" are tolerated during the BI process, and most of the posters posting on this forum are worried about things they did in their late teens (smoking pot, stealing a CD, bedding their 17 year old girlfriend while they were 18, etc). How about when it comes to a serious felony offense at a younger age, say between 9-13? Would these be dismissed during BI with a "too young to understand" mentality, or would this red flag the applicant as "troubled youth, do not touch"?

    By serious felony offense, I'm referring to things such as making or selling narcotics, credit card fraud, assault with a deadly weapon/attempted homicide, possession/distribution of child pornography, sexual assault, arson, computer hacking, armed robbery, etc.

    I can't say I'm asking out of sheer curiosity. I'm in my late 20s now and well-adjusted after learning life's lessons the hard way (I have kept my nose clean), but as a young youth around 2 decades ago I did commit a serious felony offense that went undetected/unreported. It's been haunting me like the ghost of Christmas past ever since and would be helpful for me to know if this will turn into a "maybe, depending on the circumstances" vs a "probably/definitely no chance", as I have some difficult decisions to make regarding my education very soon.

    Sidenote: I am looking at LEO occupations at both the federal and local levels, if your response differs for either
    Last edited by Song0330; 06-28-2012, 04:08 AM.

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    Originally posted by Song0330 View Post
    I understand that some amount of "youthful indiscretions" are tolerated during the BI process, and most of the posters posting on this forum are worried about things they did in their late teens (smoking pot, stealing a CD, bedding their 17 year old girlfriend while they were 18, etc). How about when it comes to a serious felony offense at a younger age, say between 9-13? Would these be dismissed during BI with a "too young to understand" mentality, or would this red flag the applicant as "troubled youth, do not touch"?

    By serious felony offense, I'm referring to things such as making or selling narcotics, credit card fraud, assault with a deadly weapon/attempted homicide, possession/distribution of child pornography, sexual assault, arson, computer hacking, armed robbery, etc.

    I can't say I'm asking out of sheer curiosity. I'm in my late 20s now and well-adjusted after learning life's lessons the hard way (I have kept my nose clean), but as a young youth around 2 decades ago I did commit a serious felony offense that went undetected/unreported. It's been haunting me like the ghost of Christmas past ever since and would be helpful for me to know if this will turn into a "maybe, depending on the circumstances" vs a "probably/definitely no chance", as I have some difficult decisions to make regarding my education very soon.

    Sidenote: I am looking at LEO occupations at both the federal and local levels, if your response differs for either
    What did you do?

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    • #3
      You're being pretty evasive concerning what you did. That'll get by here, but not in a hiring process. If you committed any of the offenses you listed, you're toast. Don't bother to apply. In general, and we've done numerous discussions on this topic, any offense committed as a juvenile is viewed in it's totality of circumstances. Juvenile Court adjudications are not considered felony convictions in the full sense of the term. You should know however, that an agency will consider the offense in light of it's hiring standards, and it could very well be a DQ. At some point in the hiring process, you'll be asked if you've ever committed an offense/crime for which you were never arrested or prosecuted. You should also know that the Background Investigator merely gathers facts. The decision to hire or DQ an applicant lies with people more highly placed in the hiring chain. For a wealth of information on this very topic, I suggest you use the "Search Function". As I noted, we've done many discussions on this topic. You should find the information helpful and informative.

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      • #4
        It is going to depend on your specific age at the time, the specific offense/s, as well as the circumstances surrounding the offenses.
        Last edited by just joe; 06-28-2012, 09:25 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Michigan View Post
          What did you do?
          Originally posted by Song0330
          By serious felony offense, I'm referring to things such as making or selling narcotics, credit card fraud, assault with a deadly weapon/attempted homicide, possession/distribution of child pornography, sexual assault, arson, computer hacking, armed robbery, etc.
          I'm gonna put my money on it being one of those.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by ProtectandServe View Post
            I'm gonna put my money on it being one of those.
            lol, I know.... but which one!!! The suspense is killing me : )

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Song0330 View Post
              I understand that some amount of "youthful indiscretions" are tolerated during the BI process, and most of the posters posting on this forum are worried about things they did in their late teens (smoking pot, stealing a CD, bedding their 17 year old girlfriend while they were 18, etc). How about when it comes to a serious felony offense at a younger age, say between 9-13? Would these be dismissed during BI with a "too young to understand" mentality, or would this red flag the applicant as "troubled youth, do not touch"?

              By serious felony offense, I'm referring to things such as making or selling narcotics, credit card fraud, assault with a deadly weapon/attempted homicide, possession/distribution of child pornography, sexual assault, arson, computer hacking, armed robbery, etc.

              I can't say I'm asking out of sheer curiosity. I'm in my late 20s now and well-adjusted after learning life's lessons the hard way (I have kept my nose clean), but as a young youth around 2 decades ago I did commit a serious felony offense that went undetected/unreported. It's been haunting me like the ghost of Christmas past ever since and would be helpful for me to know if this will turn into a "maybe, depending on the circumstances" vs a "probably/definitely no chance", as I have some difficult decisions to make regarding my education very soon.

              Sidenote: I am looking at LEO occupations at both the federal and local levels, if your response differs for either
              I would say that despite your obvious evasive statements, I would draw from the following to frame my thinking on this:

              Originally posted by Song0330 View Post
              By serious felony offense, I'm referring to things such as making or selling narcotics, credit card fraud, assault with a deadly weapon/attempted homicide, possession/distribution of child pornography, sexual assault, arson, computer hacking, armed robbery, etc….
              AND

              Originally posted by Song0330 View Post
              but as a young youth around 2 decades ago I did commit a serious felony offense that went undetected/unreported
              And say right off the bat that your chances are slim to none with a chance of never.

              The genesis behind absolving someone of “youthful indiscretions” is to forgive minor misconduct; not as you put it “serious felony offenses”. Even if the statute of limitations has passed; which varies widely, you are still looking at major, if not insurmountable obstacles. While you have not disclosed the true nature of said serious felony, I will let you know that in some cases, the statute of limitations clock only starts ticking when the crime is detected….
              Originally posted by SSD
              It has long been the tradition on this forum and as well as professionally not to second guess or Monday morning QB the officer's who were actually on-scene and had to make the decision. That being said, I don't think that your discussion will go very far on this board.
              Originally posted by Iowa #1603
              And now you are arguing about not arguing..................

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              • #8
                All right I give up! I was trying to get a confession from this guy and you people are ruining it!! : )

                By serious felony offense, I'm referring to things such as making or selling narcotics, credit card fraud, assault with a deadly weapon/attempted homicide, possession/distribution of child pornography, sexual assault, arson, computer hacking, armed robbery, etc.
                I think it's obvious... One day while making meth he decided to buy supplies and used a credit card that he stole from his dad. He went to pick up the supplies from the store and assaulted an employee with a deadly weapon, almost killing him when the guy asked, "hey kid! what are you doing, making meth or something." Later that day he decided to sell his stack of child pornography to a random stranger incase his dad came snooping around his room looking for the credit card. When he got home he "flipped" and sexual assaulted his neighber and started his house on fire to cover the crime. He had no choice but to hack into the computer mainframe of his school to change his grades to an 'A' because he spent all day making dope instead of studying. He was very hungry after a long day and robbed a bank on the way to Mcdonalds to grab a happy meal.

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                • #9
                  Michigan, I looked up "too much time on your hands" in the dictionary and it was you!!!!!!! Your post is the type of crap I come up with while running stationary radar with nothing else going on. That is why I love texting. I fill everyone's phone up with a bunch of crap that I come up with while waiting to harass a member of the general public, just to prove that the police state is alive and well.
                  Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant" is like calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Michigan View Post
                    All right I give up! I was trying to get a confession from this guy and you people are ruining it!! : )



                    I think it's obvious... One day while making meth he decided to buy supplies and used a credit card that he stole from his dad. He went to pick up the supplies from the store and assaulted an employee with a deadly weapon, almost killing him when the guy asked, "hey kid! what are you doing, making meth or something." Later that day he decided to sell his stack of child pornography to a random stranger incase his dad came snooping around his room looking for the credit card. When he got home he "flipped" and sexual assaulted his neighber and started his house on fire to cover the crime. He had no choice but to hack into the computer mainframe of his school to change his grades to an 'A' because he spent all day making dope instead of studying. He was very hungry after a long day and robbed a bank on the way to Mcdonalds to grab a happy meal.
                    So does this mean he is out of the running for a LE job?
                    Originally posted by SSD
                    It has long been the tradition on this forum and as well as professionally not to second guess or Monday morning QB the officer's who were actually on-scene and had to make the decision. That being said, I don't think that your discussion will go very far on this board.
                    Originally posted by Iowa #1603
                    And now you are arguing about not arguing..................

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Song0330 View Post
                      I understand that some amount of "youthful indiscretions" are tolerated during the BI process, and most of the posters posting on this forum are worried about things they did in their late teens (smoking pot, stealing a CD, bedding their 17 year old girlfriend while they were 18, etc). How about when it comes to a serious felony offense at a younger age, say between 9-13? Would these be dismissed during BI with a "too young to understand" mentality, or would this red flag the applicant as "troubled youth, do not touch"?
                      Nope

                      Originally posted by Song0330 View Post
                      By serious felony offense, I'm referring to things such as making or selling narcotics, credit card fraud, assault with a deadly weapon/attempted homicide, possession/distribution of child pornography, sexual assault, arson, computer hacking, armed robbery, etc.
                      at most reputable agencies----------if you admit to ANY of the above during a BI…………………….you would be toast.

                      Some of those--------would probably get you arrested on the spot when you admitted to them

                      Originally posted by Song0330 View Post
                      I can't say I'm asking out of sheer curiosity. I'm in my late 20s now and well-adjusted after learning life's lessons the hard way (I have kept my nose clean), but as a young youth around 2 decades ago I did commit a serious felony offense that went undetected/unreported. It's been haunting me like the ghost of Christmas past ever since and would be helpful for me to know if this will turn into a "maybe, depending on the circumstances" vs a "probably/definitely no chance", as I have some difficult decisions to make regarding my education very soon.
                      If you did truly commit a “serious felony” I really doubt any major agency is going to want you as a member EVER

                      Originally posted by Song0330 View Post
                      Sidenote: I am looking at LEO occupations at both the federal and local levels, if your response differs for either
                      Nope
                      Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

                      My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Iowa #1603 View Post
                        Nope

                        at most reputable agencies----------if you admit to ANY of the above during a BI…………………….you would be toast.

                        Some of those--------would probably get you arrested on the spot when you admitted to them


                        If you did truly commit a “serious felony” I really doubt any major agency is going to want you as a member EVER


                        Nope
                        So what are his chances?
                        Originally posted by SSD
                        It has long been the tradition on this forum and as well as professionally not to second guess or Monday morning QB the officer's who were actually on-scene and had to make the decision. That being said, I don't think that your discussion will go very far on this board.
                        Originally posted by Iowa #1603
                        And now you are arguing about not arguing..................

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                        • #13
                          If you want real opinions on the matter, you're going to have to give us the real story.

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                          • #14
                            Somehow, I'm beginning to think he already has. What he posed as hypothetical in his original post could very well represent what he did. If so, he has his answer.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by TK5 View Post
                              If you want real opinions on the matter, you're going to have to give us the real story.

                              Not really........................he stated SERIOUS FELONY twice. Even as a young person if he committed a serious felony...........no reputable agency will want him

                              Originally posted by sgt jon View Post
                              So what are his chances?
                              About the same chance that a popcorn fart would be noticed during a hurricane.
                              Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

                              My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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