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    I'm only one month away from finishing my associates degree and I'm planning on paying my way through the academy and applying. I've been reading these forums like a lot lately and you all have been so helpful, but after learning more about the polygraph I went from extremely confident to.. well not so much.

    I have zero drug experience, I've never once touched any of the stuff and never had even a traffic citation. So I wasn't too worried about the poly until I read more about questions regarding pornography.

    Anyway to the point, I'm 21 now and when I was 18 I viewed what I believed was underage porn. There's really no way for me to prove that it was or wasn't, but it was on a site where there was other probable illegal porn offered. I knew I shouldn't have been on that site, but for some reason I justified it in my head that since they were only 2 or 3 years younger than me it wasn't a big deal. Well it's still illegal, and lying about it if asked isn't an option obviously. My question to you guys is, is this a DQ? is this going to be a serious issue? I know everyone makes mistakes, but is this a mistake that wont allow me to get into the career of LE?

    I'm willing to do whatever it takes to get this job, and I've been considering getting my BD instead of just sticking with the associates if putting more time between what I did and when I apply will help. Along with the added benefit of having a Bachelors instead of just a 2 year degree.
    Last edited by rawtik; 04-04-2011, 05:42 PM.

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    Originally posted by rawtik View Post
    II knew I shouldn't have been on that site, but for some reason I justified it in my head that since they were only 2 or 3 years younger than me it wasn't a big deal. Well it's still illegal, and lying about it if asked isn't an option obviously. My question to you guys is, is this a DQ? is this going to be a serious issue? I know everyone makes mistakes, but is this a mistake that wont allow me to get into the career of LE?

    Once again you don't have a polygraph problem. You have an integrity problem------one that most likely will be fatal.

    Above you admit that you KNEW you were in a place you shouldn't be & you justified the fact you were viewing underage kids in a pornographic manner by saying they were just a couple years younger than you.

    You are right ----it was still illegal. Still is illegal, and always will be illegal no matter what your age. You could have been the same age as the kids and it STILL would have been illegal. FELONY illegal.

    I highly doubt that any amount of time will rehabilitate you.

    Carefully read the minimum standards for the Iowa Department Of Public Safety (Iowa State Patrol). These qualifications are similar to many larger departments in the country

    http://www.dps.state.ia.us/commis/pr...ications.shtml

    GOOD MORAL CHARACTER:


    An applicant must be of good moral character, which means that he or she can be trusted and is considered by those who know him/her to be a person of good reputation and good standing in the community.

    When conduct is of a nature, that, if known, would tend to discredit the applicant as a peace officer, the applicant will not be employed.

    The character of a person is determined by past behavior. Many factors are relevant in this assessment. The Department seeks applicants whose histories show good judgment, maturity, a sense of responsibility, and the respect of others. Several factors will be considered:

    1. Conviction or commission of a felony (as defined by Iowa law) will disqualify an applicant.
    2. Conviction or commission of an aggravated misdemeanor (as defined by Iowa law), less than 5 years ago will disqualify an applicant. Conviction or commission of an aggravated misdemeanor more than 5 years ago will be evaluated.
    3. Conviction or commission of a serious misdemeanor (as defined by Iowa law), less than 2 years ago will disqualify an applicant. Conviction or commission of a serious misdemeanor more than 2 years ago will be evaluated.
    4. Conviction of domestic assault, child abuse, or other conviction resulting from domestic or child abuse will disqualify an applicant.
    5. A consistent pattern of unexplained failures to meet debt obligations will be evaluated.
    6. An applicant who gives false or misleading information to the Department at any time during the application process may be disqualified.
    7. History of excessive use of alcohol will be evaluated.
    8. Unlawful sale of ANY controlled substance will disqualify an applicant.
    9. An applicant who has used any illegal drug while employed in any law enforcement or prosecutorial position, or while employed in a position which carries with it a high level of responsibility or public trust, will be found unsuitable for employment.
    10. An applicant who is discovered to have misrepresented his/her drug history in completing the application will be found unsuitable for employment.
    11. An applicant who has used any illegal drug (including anabolic steroids after February 27, 1991), other than marijuana, within the last ten years or more than five times in one's life will be found unsuitable for employment.
    12. An applicant who has used marijuana within the past two years, or used marijuana more than a total of 15 times in one's life will be found unsuitable for employment.

    To determine whether you meet the Department's drug policy, please answer the following questions:

    1. Have you used marijuana at all within the last two years?
    2. Have you used marijuana more than a total of 15 times in your life?
    3. Have you used any other illegal drug (including anabolic steroids after February 27, 1991) at all in the past 10 years?
    4. Have you used an other illegal drug (including anabolic steroids after February 27, 1991) more than a total of five times in your life?
    5. Have you ever sold any illegal drug for profit?
    6. Have you ever used an illegal drug (no matter how many times or how long ago) while in a law enforcement or prosecutorial position, or in a position which carries with it a high level of responsibility or public trust?

    If you answered YES to any of the above six questions, you are immediately disqualified and should NOT apply for a peace officer position with the Department of Public Safety.

    Other conduct not specified will be evaluated
    Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

    My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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    • #3
      Thank you for your response Iowa, though it was blunt, it is what I needed to hear (read).

      Originally posted by Iowa #1603 View Post
      I highly doubt that any amount of time will rehabilitate you.
      I do however, feel I have good moral character, yes I made a bad mistake, but I am more than rehabilitated from it. I have grown a lot as a person since then. I also feel as though it wasn't a definite case of a felony. I was not intentionally searching for underage porn, I was searching for non-professional porn at the time. I had no intentions of seeking out underage girls, and I also still do not know for certain that they were underage, I feel as though it's much more likely that I've simply got in my head about it after reading too much about polygraph fears. Unless of course the fact that I knew there was a chance that it was illegal is a felony and not simply a case of poor judgment that I have since outgrown. I know I did wrong, but I don't believe it was a felony and I don't believe it qualifies me as having bad moral character. Do you truly feel that this does in fact DQ me from any chance of this career?

      I understand all you have to work with is what you know of me in this post, and by that you answered my question to the best of your ability. Although, perhaps the BI and examiners will look at this situation the same way you just did.
      Last edited by rawtik; 04-04-2011, 07:25 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Iowa #1603 View Post
        Once again you don't have a polygraph problem. You have an integrity problem------one that most likely will be fatal.

        Above you admit that you KNEW you were in a place you shouldn't be & you justified the fact you were viewing underage kids in a pornographic manner by saying they were just a couple years younger than you.

        You are right ----it was still illegal. Still is illegal, and always will be illegal no matter what your age. You could have been the same age as the kids and it STILL would have been illegal. FELONY illegal.
        This-

        It doesn't matter what age you were. Heck, if they were only a couple years younger, it would have been legal to have sex with them in my state.

        *BUT* Child pornography laws are place for several reasons. Not only to keep creepers from getting access to the stuff, but also to protect children. By viewing child pornography you were helping support a criminal industry. Those children were most likely being exploited for your pleasure. While I don't believe you are a child molester (just based on what you said), you did however show *extremely* poor judgement.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by rawtik View Post
          Thank you for your response Iowa, though it was blunt, it is what I needed to hear (read).



          I do however, feel I have good moral character, yes I made a bad mistake, but I am more than rehabilitated from it. I have grown a lot as a person since then. I also feel as though it wasn't a definite case of a felony. I was not intentionally searching for underage porn, I was searching for non-professional porn at the time. I had no intentions of seeking out underage girls, and I also still do not know for certain that they were underage, I feel as though it's much more likely that I've simply got in my head about it after reading too much about polygraph fears. Unless of course the fact that I knew there was a chance that it was illegal is a felony and not simply a case of poor judgment that I have since outgrown. I know I did wrong, but I don't believe it was a felony and I don't believe it qualifies me as having bad moral character. Do you truly feel that this does in fact DQ me from any chance of this career?

          I understand all you have to work with is what you know of me in this post, and by that you answered my question to the best of your ability. Although, perhaps the BI and examiners will look at this situation the same way you just did.
          I am not trying to kick you to the curb.....................but, yes, I tend to be pretty blunt in my answers................

          I also don't believe you are a child molester ......................that wasn't what I said or even mentioned.
          The mere possession or viewing of that type of file is a felony--------------------just because. You looked at it even though you KNEW it was wrong…………….That is reason enough.

          I feel you are going to pay for your lapse in judgment for a long time. The "good moral character" is a phrase that if you carefully read the guidelines I copied----is very subjective..........The part I copied in red is the driving factor.

          The facts are considered----and the a judgment is made by the powers that be as to if they feel you have "what it takes".

          Yes I feel this is a felony in my state
          728.12(3) states, in part:
          3. It shall be unlawful to knowingly purchase or possess a
          negative, slide, book, magazine, computer, computer disk, or other
          print or visual medium, or an electronic, magnetic, or optical
          storage system, or any other type of storage system which depicts a
          minor engaging in a prohibited sexual act or the simulation of a
          prohibited sexual act.



          By viewing the file on a computer you were in possession of the file---
          Last edited by Iowa #1603; 04-04-2011, 08:03 PM.
          Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

          My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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          • #6
            You're absolutely right, and Good character is indeed a phase and not simply something I can instantaneously become. You are correct about the possession of the file, however you did leave out the other important factor which is the "knowing" I did not and I still do not know that it was in fact illegal content. It could very well have been of age, but as I said it was on a site that had questionable content and I do feel guilty for it so perhaps I'm simply trying to convince myself out of a DQ.

            Obviously, a few more years of school would go a long way in giving me more time to decide what's best, I just cannot imagine this separating me from my dream career.

            Thank you again Iowa for all your time in answering my questions, even if I may come across as argumentative I truly appreciate your input.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by rawtik View Post
              You're absolutely right, and Good character is indeed a phase and not simply something I can instantaneously become. You are correct about the possession of the file, however you did leave out the other important factor which is the "knowing" I did not and I still do not know that it was in fact illegal content. It could very well have been of age, but as I said it was on a site that had questionable content and I do feel guilty for it so perhaps I'm simply trying to convince myself out of a DQ.

              Obviously, a few more years of school would go a long way in giving me more time to decide what's best, I just cannot imagine this separating me from my dream career.

              Thank you again Iowa for all your time in answering my questions, even if I may come across as argumentative I truly appreciate your input.
              You can give yourself the benefit of the doubt all day long, and if it makes you feel good, go ahead. For the life of me, I'm simply not able to understand prospective applicants who torpedo their chances, and then say their dream has always been to be a cop. Makes no sense. Your posts are full of rationalization and minimization, and neither of them will fly either. You had better accept that fact that your actions in viewing the illegal content could very separate you from your "dream career".

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              • #8
                Believe me I have.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by rawtik View Post

                  There's really no way for me to prove that it was or wasn't, but it was on a site where there was other probable illegal porn offered. I knew I shouldn't have been on that site, but for some reason I justified it in my head that since they were only 2 or 3 years younger than me it wasn't a big deal. Well it's still illegal, .
                  Knowingly is clearly in that statue

                  You knowingly viewed the file ---------------------as admitted by you in the original post

                  728.12(3) states, in part:
                  3. It shall be unlawful to knowingly purchase or possess a
                  negative, slide, book, magazine, computer, computer disk, or other
                  print or visual medium, or an electronic, magnetic, or optical
                  storage system, or any other type of storage system which depicts a
                  minor engaging in a prohibited sexual act or the simulation of a
                  prohibited sexual act.
                  Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

                  My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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                  • #10
                    Don't lie...

                    And start looking at aged porn!!





                    Wrinkly porn....ahhh!!
                    "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm" -George Orwell

                    "It's 106 miles to Chicago, we've got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark, and we're wearing diapers." - Blues Brothers

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                    • #11
                      This is why I stick to cougars.
                      "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence to those who would do us harm." - George Orwell, April 4, 1942

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                      • #12
                        I work with youth currently while I await a department to call, however what I tell these teens that I work with is that ONE bad decision can ruin your future career choices. Many teens don't realize that something as "simple" as underage drinking or smoking weed can ruin many careers in government agencies. Sorry to hear that you made that decision, hopefully you can overcome that through character references and time. Best of luck.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jm23 View Post
                          I work with youth currently while I await a department to call, however what I tell these teens that I work with is that ONE bad decision can ruin your future career choices. Many teens don't realize that something as "simple" as underage drinking or smoking weed can ruin many careers in government agencies. Sorry to hear that you made that decision, hopefully you can overcome that through character references and time. Best of luck.
                          While you may be an applicant with a LE agency, you're not a cop yet. Hopefully, you'll demonstrate a better grasp of reading and following instructions as you advance through the process. If and when you are an Officer,post in this section as often as you like.

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                          • #14
                            I don't see anyone hiring you, sorry! I would go to school for a degree NOT related to LE. No chance.

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                            • #15
                              Not wanting to start another thread about this, how does one handle a polygraph if they're just "jumpy" about getting hooked up to such machines?
                              I'm currently looking to venture into this field sometime in the not-too-distant future and heard many stories about the way these machines measure heart-rate and such.

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