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  • RockyMountain
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    Last edited by RockyMountain; 09-03-2011, 12:11 PM.

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  • sigcopper
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    Well, that is good. Why did you take genetics and anatomy?

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  • RockyMountain
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  • sigcopper
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    Your speeding tickets have been hashed over really well here. If it weren't for those.....man, you sound as if a good catch. I've seen worse records though. I've seen suspensions, revocations and DWIs. Be honest and say you f'ed up.

    My question would be in what classes your grades fell? If in an English class I would, as a BI, be concerned. I once had a guy that had to take an English class over 3 times. His writing skills were very poor. After looking at some writing samples from different places we ended up passing on him. So, your grades do count along with participation in class and attendance.

    I wish you luck. You can't worry about your driving record now. Just don't get any other tickets!
    Last edited by sigcopper; 03-30-2011, 05:55 PM.

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  • mikeymedic
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    Again, don't try and justify to the BI about your history; just the truth. There is no way to explain away 3 recent tickets. Explain that you were an idiot an take what he or she gives you.

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  • Smurfette_76
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    Phew. Those three tickets are going to be hard to explain because (as you stated) time tells and time only moves but so fast. Often, past behavior is indicative of future actions and an agency has to look at you as a liability with those tickets. A liability because you'd be driving a department issued vehicle and the general public ALWAYS watches the cop. You're going to have to sell yourself to him, pretty much. It's a fine line to walk...between explaining and rationalizing. How do you, btw, explain those tickets?

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  • RockyMountain
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  • MeBPD
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    I think you are underestimating the damage those tickets are going to do to you. 3 tickets worth 2-3 points each in one year is a big deal nowadays. I know it says you meet that requirement but just barely. Did you take some point reduction classes?

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  • PhilipCal
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    You've gotten some really great advice, and it's difficult to add to. The citations are all movers, and really rather recent, so how the Agency views them will be in accordance with their current standards. As a BI, the GPA drop would concern me to the point I would ask you about it. The reply you've given seems honest enough, so shouldn't be an issue. Keep in mind that as the Agency reviews it's current applicants, there may be those with better Driving Records, so it's possible your citations could negatively impact you. They shouldn't be killers though, provided this is the last of them.

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  • just joe
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    Your overall GPA is what is important, and most depts don't care about that. As others have said, you still meet the minimum requirements re. tickets, but don't be surprised if they pick someone with zero tickets in the last three years.

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  • Iowa #1603
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    Originally posted by RockyMountain View Post
    I don't really have a very good explanation I can give him as to why my grades dropped - the bottom line is I just got lazy with school and became a lot more interested in work and my relationship.
    That IS the explanation. Own it and move on.

    Originally posted by RockyMountain View Post
    There wasn't any sort of underlying issue like family problems, substance experimentation, etc. Should I just tell him that and hope the lack of maturity I showed doesn't warrant a DQ?
    The underlying reason was you got lazy at school and focused on other things.......................That actually is understandable.

    I really don't see a big problem here to begin with -----you just need to explain (not justify) what happened.

    Originally posted by RockyMountain View Post
    Also, do background investigators have a lot of discretion in whether or not they choose to disqualify someone? For example, will a lot of this just depend on his gut feeling about me? Thanks for all your help by the way.
    The actual DQ's are usually pretty much black and white. If you meet the standards you are ok----if you don't, you are history.

    Most BI's gather information & report it to someone higher up on the chain. Most BI's are either detectives, or Sgts..............in other words pretty low on the totem pole. They just report the findings of their investigation to someone else.

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  • mikeymedic
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    Originally posted by RockyMountain View Post
    The first part of my background investigation is an integrity interiew. Is this when my background investigator will ask me for an explanation of these issues? I don't really have a very good explanation I can give him as to why my grades dropped - the bottom line is I just got lazy with school and became a lot more interested in work and my relationship. There wasn't any sort of underlying issue like family problems, substance experimentation, etc. Should I just tell him that and hope the lack of maturity I showed doesn't warrant a DQ? Also, do background investigators have a lot of discretion in whether or not they choose to disqualify someone? For example, will a lot of this just depend on his gut feeling about me? Thanks for all your help by the way.
    Don't justify your behavior and grades in college. The BI will see maturity if you just own up to your downfalls. The second questions is it depends on the department. Most of the time it is not the BI that makes the decision on whether or not to hire. He or she merely forwards his or her finding to the hiring authorities up the chain. However, the BI's opinion is not taken lightly.

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  • RockyMountain
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  • Iowa #1603
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    Originally posted by RockyMountain View Post
    Thanks for your help. L-1, can you please clarify what you mean by "behavioral problems?" The grades resulted from a lack of interest/effort in my studies - I became 'tunnel visioned' with other things like work and social life. The period of time when my grades went down was the same time I started working full-time and met my girlfriend. I know many people are able to juggle significantly more while still maintaining high grades, yet I had a hard time adjusting. Is the lack of maturity I showed with balancing multiple things in my life at the time a "behavioral problem" that will hurt me?
    There was a reason why your grades dropped.

    The BI is going to want to know why it happened..................was it environmental, family problems, or as L-1 stated due to you going "wild" and experimenting with mind/mood altering substances.

    Originally posted by mikeymedic View Post
    Keep in mind that the BI is seeing your application for the first time so he may still DQ you for the tickets. The first person to review your application and schedule you for the hiring process is usually in HR and probably doesn't pay too much attention to those sort of things. HR probably only looked to see if you had the minimum qualifications to move on before sending you an invite to test.
    The person who will do the BI will dig a lot deeper than a "pre-background screen" does..............................and use different standards

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  • mikeymedic
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    Originally posted by L-1 View Post
    No. I'm referring to alcohol, drugs, criminal conduct or other misbehavior that may have redirected your focus away from school.
    Keep in mind that the BI is seeing your application for the first time so he may still DQ you for the tickets. The first person to review your application and schedule you for the hiring process is usually in HR and probably doesn't pay too much attention to those sort of things. HR probably only looked to see if you had the minimum qualifications to move on before sending you an invite to test.

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