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  • vincelli
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    As per Departments which require a contract in return for putting you through the academy, many of those contracts contain a clause which states that you're only on the hook if you leave before the end of the contract in order to take a position you obtained as a result of your academy certification.

    I.e. if you went through the academy, got hired, did one year of a three-year contract and suddenly decided you just couldn't hack being a street cop and decided to become a professional cook, you're not on the hook for anything. Although it is an LEO job, an 1811 series job would fall under the same clause since your academy certification is meaningless in obtaining the 1811 slot (has to QUALIFY you for the job, not simply make you look like a good candidate).

    Another example, you quit before end of contract to take a job with a PD which requires the same academy certification, but that PD puts you through the entire academy again on its own dime. Contract would not apply. (Although the chances of this happening are about the same as non-LEO's obeying the rules of not answering posts in Ask-a-Cop...)

    Reverse example: you quit before the end of contract and take a job with a PD which uses your academy certification to hire you. You're on the hook for whatever penalty the contract spells out.

    Keep in mind, I'm not saying that ALL PD contracts are handled this way, but years ago when I was looking to get the hell out of the Feds and return to local LE I checked into PD's in many different States and encountered these types of contracts, all of which had such a clause. (And yep, that's right, after trying both local and Fed I found that my true love was local not Fed; be careful what you wish for and don't base your preference for Feds on what you see and hear, or on TV).

    -V
    Last edited by vincelli; 04-07-2011, 10:11 AM.

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  • Kimble
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    Ross,

    With any specific agency I'd take what anyone says who does not actually work for that agency with a grain of salt (for example, not to belittle Polo above but his profile says he is a photographer, not a sworn LEO and certainly not a FBI agent). I don't work for FBI so I'm not qualified to speak on what they're looking for in applicant skills/backgrounds right now, and the FBIjobs.gov site only gives a very general idea of what they look for on an ongoing basis. I'd contact an FBI recruiter at the nearest FO to you (or the recruiter closest to you for whatever other agencies you're interested in applying to) and get the answer directly from the horse's mouth.

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  • Ross
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    Originally posted by Polo08817

    Honestly, I don't think you fall under the competitive applicant category.
    I fall under the qualifying category Diversified and critical skill "military experience" at the entry level with 4 years work experience, I have a BS with a 3.9 GPA and I get VET preferences. This does not make me competitive? What makes me a competitive app? A few more years of work experience (8-10) and a Masters Degree ?

    Is that the norm? 10years experience Masters Degree>?
    Last edited by Ross; 04-06-2011, 04:37 PM. Reason: More info

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  • Ross
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    Thanks, guys. I'm going to stay federal in the app process, and finish my masters. This seems like my best bet.

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  • Kimble
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    Originally posted by Ross View Post
    Does local/state law enforcement experience carry over into federal retirement? I’m having issues finding this info on the internet. I know federal agencies, for the most part, have parallel systems or accept all the work years of other federal employees, but I’m not sure if this is possible for local/state LEO’s?
    No, local/state retirements do not carry over into FERS. You have to start all over with retirement.

    Originally posted by Ross View Post
    I ask this question because LEO departments appear to require XXX amount of years before an individual is eligible for investigative work (experience to carry over to 1811 positions).
    FWIW I am an 1811 and was a former local LEO but was never a detective/investigator at the local level. Know several other 1811's who were patrol cops (and never worked in a designated investigative billet) prior to becoming agents.

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  • Ross
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    Does local/state law enforcement experience carry over into federal retirement? I’m having issues finding this info on the internet. I know federal agencies, for the most part, have parallel systems or accept all the work years of other federal employees, but I’m not sure if this is possible for local/state LEO’s?

    I ask this question because LEO departments appear to require XXX amount of years before an individual is eligible for investigative work (experience to carry over to 1811 positions). If this is true, it would appear more advantageous to do another contract with the military as an officer (leadership experience) because you do not lose any years?

    FERS Credit for Personnel with Military Service

    "Former military personnel may receive credit for their active-duty military service. In order to do so, however, they must make a deposit to the FERS fund, as if they had been civilian federal employees during their time in the military. The deposit amount is equal to three percent of their total base pay for their active-duty military service. The deposit to the FERS fund must be made before retirement. If this deposit is completed within the first three years after joining the government, it is interest-free. Otherwise, interest is compounded annually until the deposit is completed. If an employee dies during his or her federal service, the surviving spouse will be given a chance to complete the deposit before the survivor benefits are determined."
    Last edited by Ross; 03-20-2011, 11:08 AM. Reason: Adding additional information

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  • options open
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    Take every test that comes out and apply to every agency that is taking applications wherever you think you might be interested in working (including other states). It's an extremely tough and competitive market out there. Don't forget the market is also flooded with police officers who were either laid off or are only part time.

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  • Kimble
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    Originally posted by Ross View Post
    I missed the recent SS announcement…
    Cultural lesson of the day: if you plan to apply with US Secret Service (or work with them in any capacity), don't refer to them as "SS," that was the name for Hitler's "secret police." Sort of akin to calling a Marine a "soldier."

    Best acronym to use for Secret Service is USSS.

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  • Ross
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    Originally posted by LaPlaca View Post
    you call yourself a Marine? Im ashamed...
    Believe me; it has been hard not to partake in some of the festivities, especially overseas on a med float or recently in Vegas with some Marine Buddies…. I’m the “voice of reason” or "that guy" and my friends have been giving me hell for it for a long time.

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  • Ross
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    Thanks guys for all your input. I really appreciate it.


    Originally posted by TheKansan View Post
    Start applying as soon as possible. Some 1811 jobs will hire college grads with no experience. Besides, the hiring process is so long that you will be waiting 1+ years for almost any 1811 position with the feds.

    If I was in your shoes, I would apply for almost any LE job that is opening up, and that includes federal, state, and local. With the state of the economy, and the quality/quantity of candidates out there, it will take a lot to get hired in these conditions.
    I would apply for 1811 jobs if entry level positions were open to me. I have been watching USAJOBS like a hawk, but I guess it does not help that the budget is not passed yet. Unfortunately, I missed the recent SS announcement… I do see some 1801 jobs, but I’m not sure how these stack up against LEO positions.

    Currently, I’m filling out an application for a civil service exam coming up with a 300 or so officer department. While I see these jobs, the officer packets keep telling me I’m not qualified…. It appears that there are residency requirements, and I will only be considered if the jobs can’t be filled with locals… The out of state departments are giving me the same impression.

    I also get the economy concern. However, money is not a factor for me at the moment. I have saved a good amount of money from my deployments, the GI bill, and I won’t have any student loans. I’m more interested in trying to make the right employment moves while I’m in my prime over taking anything I can get. At the same time, I don’t want to “miss the bus” so to speak. All of which, is extremely confusing…

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  • TheKansan
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    Originally posted by Ross View Post
    My overall goal is to become an 1811, preferably with the DEA or FBI. I got out of the Marines in 07 (infantry mortarman 2years/scout sniper 2years), and I have been a full time college student ever since. I just finished my BS in criminal justice; I have no disability, perfect vision, no deviant behavior, and not even one speeding ticket. The hiring freeze has prompted me to enroll in a Master's program which I have been accepted for and start in a few days.

    My question is, should I attempt to complete a master’s degree and hope for 1811 jobs to open? Alternatively, should I apply to, and take a city/ state police department job? Which is a more successful/expeditious route to my goal (1811)? While I know my USMC experience is technically enough work experience, how is it weighed against a current LEO, non-military guy, with the same degree? The competition for these jobs is what? 100 apps to 1 position? Additionally, I’m a single guy (25), and I have been living at home (parents) while going to college. Granted, I have had apartments but to save money it made more sense to move back home. Will this hurt my chances? Should I finish out this first semester take whatever LE job I can get, move out, finish that contract, and try my hand at 1811 or should I be good to go? I have also considered doing an Officers package with the USMC and applying for 1811 jobs towards the end of that contract. I am very confused…. What would you guys suggest?
    Start applying as soon as possible. Some 1811 jobs will hire college grads with no experience. Besides, the hiring process is so long that you will be waiting 1+ years for almost any 1811 position with the feds.

    If I was in your shoes, I would apply for almost any LE job that is opening up, and that includes federal, state, and local. With the state of the economy, and the quality/quantity of candidates out there, it will take a lot to get hired in these conditions.

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  • LaPlaca
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    Originally posted by Ross View Post
    I got out of the Marines in 07 (infantry mortarman 2years/scout sniper 2years), I have no disability, perfect vision, no deviant behavior, and not even one speeding ticket.

    you call yourself a Marine? Im ashamed...

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  • Kimble
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    Originally posted by cleantrep View Post
    I am not a certified LEO but I do have slight knowledge on this.
    Why do some people believe they are "special" and the rules don't apply to them?

    Post reported.

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  • Iowa #1603
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    Originally posted by cleantrep View Post
    I am not a certified LEO but I do have slight knowledge on this.

    Contracting is out there. AFAIK here in the Kansas/Missouri area the only city that does it is Kansas City, MO itself. If you are in a state that is self sponsor go for it, but if you are in a hired academy state like Kansas, Iowa, ect... keep in mind that its frowned upon to take an agency's money for training and bailing out after you receive your certification. Most of them expect a couple of years out of you, if not asking for a contract outright.
    I agree with the substance of your post, however you should not be posting in the AAC section. One person got BANNED today for posting in AAC (and being a Richard Head about it)

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  • Iowa #1603
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    Originally posted by Kimble View Post

    As far as your comment about "contracts" for LEO jobs, I've never heard of such (with the exception of some reserve/part-time LEO positions that require a couple years service or paying back the cost of the academy, but never for full-time LEO positions).
    Most departments in Iowa require a 3-4 yr training reimbursement contract which covers the cost of the academy. Failure to complete the employement contract OR repay (on a sliding fee) will result in your decertification. Yep, one of the Academy Council rules is they have the authority to decertify you if the department tells them you left without repayment.

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