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  • Uncommon Background Issue

    I know. I could apply to a different agency. I have, but ironically this is the agency that I’m getting furthest with.

    Scenario:
    I am the treasurer of a $3,000,000 non profit organization. At the initial onset of my coming onto the board the organization was only $2,000,000 a year.

    I used my professional education and financial intuition to identify the organization was susceptible to internal and external fraud/theft and the organization didn’t have the means to identify the magnitude of this exposure, nor reconcile where the exposure could come from. Needless to say, my opinions really ticked off veteran board members.

    One of those fellow board members was a retired Financial Crimes Lt. who sat on the finance committee of the board, and was a previous Treasurer of the organization. He and I ended up being political enemies, and he came really close to getting me removed from the board. In the end my observations proved to be correct, and worse, I also underestimated the problem. The Lt. didn’t run for another term, the house of cards fell, and I rooted out a lot of the problems, established stronger controls, eventually got the organization in compliance with state reporting requirements, and effectively played a very large role in getting revenues to increase another $1,000,000.

    The agency the Lt. was from is also the agency that is responsible for regulating and overseeing the portion of the business model that my non profit was victimized from.

    Anyone hazard to guess which agency I may soon enter backgrounds with?

    In my oral board interview the interviewing Lt. asked me if I knew the retired Lt. My blood ran cold…….. “Yes, I do”, I answered, and said, “he and I don’t like each other”. So the connection has been made to the organization, myself and the retired Lt. I think it would be tactically prudent if the agency didn’t look into this association other than confirmation, but I suspect by default they will.

    How does one dance around a topic that will only air out the agency’s dirty laundry the deeper they go and not mine? If say for instance the retired Lt tried to discredit me things could get ugly and embarrassing for everyone other than myself. I’m not going to even go into the details about why.

    I just though some of you might be entertained by contemplating a much different background issue than say the random criminal conviction 20 years ago.

    Before you ask, I’ve tried folks. I’ve applied to 28 different agencies and then one day said “what the heck, it’s only a reserve position”, and applied to them as well. Ironically, this is turning out it could materialize.

    My previous prejudice against them blinded me from noticing they were the best agency to be a reserve for in my parts, and I’m glad things are panning out as they are. However, you can bet if I wash out of background I’ll never completely be satisfied with the reasons “why”, but I will recognize I might be better off anyway.
    _____________
    "Corruptisima republica plurimae leges."

    "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."
    - Cornelius Tacitus

  • #2
    Just out of curiosity, why is this the furthest you've ever gone with an agency?

    -SC
    Education ... has produced a vast population able to read but unable to distinguish what is worth reading.
    - G. M. Trevelyan

    B.S. Business Administration - Texas A&M 1990
    MPA - University of Texas Dallas 2004
    Graduate Certificate in Criminal Justice - American Military University 2006
    Graduate Certificate in Accounting - University of Dallas 2008
    Various Graduate Credits - UoP
    MA Christian Ministry Chaplaincy Dallas Baptist University 20%
    DPA Valdosta State 30%

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SleepyCop View Post
      Just out of curiosity, why is this the furthest you've ever gone with an agency?

      -SC

      I suspect it’s because of my age, corporate presentation, unfamiliarity with the culture of how to game the selection process, and inability to convey I could fit in.

      Things have really, REALLY started looking up (I’m also pretty far with a local sheriff as well) since I graduated from the academy, done a zillion ride alongs and started to understand the LEO mentality in terms of being a beat cop.

      Example: I was asked in an oral board question about responding to a domestic disturbance. I was responding at a highly populated apartment complex and a local resident stops me while my partner continues on to the complaint, and the resident blames the cops on the couple’s continued fighting.

      Now, pre academy and ride alongs I would have totally blown that question, and tried to make everyone happy. I would have danced the political correctness dance I’ve been exposed to in my corporate life.

      The perspective of the question I see now is one addressing officer safety.
      1) DV call.
      2) Highly populated apartment complex
      3) Losing sight of my partner

      My response now was designed around getting the complaining citizen out of my face in a respectable manner, covering our flanks from other pesky citizens and not losing sight of my partner to statistically the most dangerous call we are going to be dispatched too.

      This mentality wasn’t just given to me in the academy, but doing a lot of ride alongs at 2am and getting dispatched with my officer to places dark and quiet or loud parties greatly outnumbered thinking to myself “if things go south how am I going to get out of this”.

      One time an officer was going to make a stop on a car, but they just got onto the onramp for a part of the freeway enclosed by walls, and I quietly said to myself “this is not a good place for this”, and the officer just brushed it off and went around the guy even after lighting him up. Sometimes you just got let some of the smaller things go.

      Realize a year ago I would be sitting across the table in an interview and all I have is 15 years of banking and corporate finance behind me. Until 2.5 years ago I had never owned a firearm.

      If one of you wanted my job as an asset liability analyst and financial modeling analyst what would you have to do to get from where you are now to where I am?

      That’s the process I’m having to back into.

      Also, I come from a different mentality in terms of job searching. I don’t wait around for employers to go through the process. I apply, and if nothing has happened in a month I move on. So early on I probably applied to way to many agencies. Now, I basically have stopped until my current applications pan out. I’ve also learned which ones I’d rather avoid as well.

      There are probably other reasons as well, but the crutch of them I think I’m figuring out.

      In the long run my plan is:
      1) Become a reserve and get to Level 1 (solo officer) in a year.
      2) After clearing FTO and being allowed to be solo I would purse a Master’s degree in Admin of Justice (I’d only need 30 more units).
      3) Upon graduation of Master’s degree and by that time 3 or 4 years as a solo reserve again try for full time gig.
      4) Get my Advanced Post certificate 4 years after #3 (I’ll be mid 40’s by then).
      5) Give a LEO career 20 years maybe 25 and see where my MBA and MS in Justice get me. I don’t need 30 years. My other savings and investments will make up for the lower retirement ratio since I’m starting so late.

      Then again, I could be totally wrong get in WAY over my head on the street, and basically just stay a reserve and conform back to my corporate world. That risk will always be in the back of employer’s minds, but at least I’ve greatly reduced it by putting myself through an academy and going for unpaid reserve positions.
      _____________
      "Corruptisima republica plurimae leges."

      "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."
      - Cornelius Tacitus

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      • #4
        Wow! You sure do talk a lot, and and and..........
        "a band is blowing Dixie double four time You feel alright when you hear the music ring"


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        • #5
          I'm with RKT...

          Learn to present information in a short, concise statement. To be honest I didn't even finish your first post, much less your second one.

          -SC
          Education ... has produced a vast population able to read but unable to distinguish what is worth reading.
          - G. M. Trevelyan

          B.S. Business Administration - Texas A&M 1990
          MPA - University of Texas Dallas 2004
          Graduate Certificate in Criminal Justice - American Military University 2006
          Graduate Certificate in Accounting - University of Dallas 2008
          Various Graduate Credits - UoP
          MA Christian Ministry Chaplaincy Dallas Baptist University 20%
          DPA Valdosta State 30%

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          • #6
            You BI should be professional enough to understand both sides of the story. Believe me, and others will back me up on this, BI's know there are people out there who don't like you. Everyone has someone that doesn't like them and/or see things their way. The BI will take all of this into consideration.

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            • #7
              How much did you embezzle?
              Free Deke O'Mally!!!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by District B 13 View Post
                How much did you embezzle?
                all of it
                _____________
                "Corruptisima republica plurimae leges."

                "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."
                - Cornelius Tacitus

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by SCV-Sop View Post



                  In my oral board interview the interviewing Lt. asked me if I knew the retired Lt. My blood ran cold…….. “Yes, I do”, I answered, and said, “he and I don’t like each other”. So the connection has been made to the organization, myself and the retired Lt. I think it would be tactically prudent if the agency didn’t look into this association other than confirmation, but I suspect by default they will.

                  .
                  I have one suggestion for you if you go to any more interviews. Listen closely to the question and answer that question.

                  Don't anticipate follow ups, don't guess the interviewers bias. The answer to the question should have been "yes I do". Why open a door and make the statement you don't like someone. The panel will go there if that is their intention but you should not have volunteered to make a negative statement if it was not necessary.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by SleepyCop View Post
                    I'm with RKT...

                    Learn to present information in a short, concise statement. To be honest I didn't even finish your first post, much less your second one.

                    -SC
                    A retired Financial Crimes Detective Lt. for an agency which I applied too had access to information necessary to identify potential fraud and theft for an organization for which he was fiscally responsible for, and not only did he not act upon it in the best interest of the organization, he conducted actions in a manner to prevent me from discovering the fraud myself (someone equally responsible for the fiscal well being of the organization).

                    I do not have any supporting evidence of criminal activity by actions of the retired Lt.

                    I do have documentation supporting my theory he withheld information from the CPA firm to the board of directors indicating weaknesses I identified independently that consequently validated the thefts that were occurring.

                    Facts supporting my position (which are public record):
                    1) An employee of the organization was convicted of theft in the amount of $50K (the amount was pleaded).
                    2) The Retired Lt. didn’t run for the board again and since then I’ve become treasurer and net income has increased $1,000,000 a year.
                    _____________
                    "Corruptisima republica plurimae leges."

                    "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws."
                    - Cornelius Tacitus

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                    • #11
                      My brain hurts after reading this, seriously it hurts.
                      It could be that the purpose of your life is only to serve as a warning to others.

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