What do you think of antiwar protesters?

[11Bto5-0]

Right, no one is watching me. None of us are being watched. There aren't 700,000 American citizens on the terrorism watch list. Our phone calls, emails, and all other forms of communication aren't being monitored by the NSA with the complicity of the telecommunications giants, and there is not and never has been a "no fly" list for antiwar activists.

We're all being watched Group29, even you, in this here land of the free.

[SmallCityCop]

Hahahahahaha!

[MCAPO]

You're getting watched when you submit your personal financial history and everything about where you work, where you live and how much you make etc. etc.


it's called doing your taxes every year....long before the cell phones could be tapped.

the govt. already knows everything about you in your pathetic life.....they don't want to know where you buy your stupid tight emo jeans okay?

[Downtown Hound]

Very well then, Sgt. Elmer. Ask and ye shall receive. I had a hunch one of you would ask me this. See, I am learning about you.

Here:

All articles about how you, by which I mean the police, not you yourself, have infiltrated our groups and spied on our members.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=5626076
http://www.wbaltv.com/news/16998177/detail.html
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/7/2...e_police_spied
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/oct2003/spy-o23.shtml

Articles about how antiwar activists have been denied the right to travel on a plane due to their political activities.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/ny...0A&oref=slogin
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0803-03.htm

An article about the ever growing anti-terror watch list, 700,000 strong at the time of its publication and growing larger. Included on the list is the dastardly Nelson Mandela, winner of the Nobel Peace Prize.

http://www.motherjones.com/mojoblog/...n_mandela.html

My personal favorite here. An article about how sometimes, a few officers of the law, and understand that I do not include all of you in this, have taken it upon themselves to um, how shall I put this… lie, under oath, about what happened at various protests in order to tack more charges onto those that they arrested. The incidents were all caught on video, which directly contradicted the officers’ testimony. Understand that I am not bashing all police here. I was 100% guilty when I was arrested, and overall, the conduct of the police was very professional. But that is not always the case. These incidents were all caught on video, which directly contradicted the officers’ testimony.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/30/ny...0A&oref=slogin

“Hundreds of cases against people arrested during the 2004 Republican National Convention collapsed under an avalanche of videotaped evidence that either completely contradicted police accounts, or raised significant questions about their reliability. The videotapes were made by people involved in the protests, bystanders, tourists and police officers.
At the New York Public Library, a small group holding a banner against one of the stone lions was arrested and charged with blocking traffic in the middle of 42nd Street, although video showed they were on the steps, and nowhere near the street.
In another case at the library, a police officer testified that he and three other officers had to carry one protester, Dennis Kyne, by his hands and feet down the library steps. Videotape showed that Mr. Kyne walked down the steps under his own power, and that the officer who testified against him had no role in his arrest. The charges were dismissed; the Manhattan district attorney’s office declined to bring perjury charges against the officer who gave the testimony.
Dozens of complaints were sworn by police officers who said they had witnessed people violating the law on Fulton Street and near Union Square, but later admitted under oath that their only involvement was to process the arrests, and that they had not actually seen the disorderly conduct that was charged.”

And finally, last but not least, articles about the full scope of the surveillance of the American people, all done without warrants, all done without their knowledge, and all done with the aid and assistance of the telecommunications industry.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/07/po...gewanted=print

“WASHINGTON, Feb. 6 — President Bush decided against allowing the National Security Agency to intercept purely domestic phone calls and e-mail messages after the Sept. 11 attacks in part because officials realized such a decision would provoke intense opposition if made public, Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales testified Monday.
Mr. Gonzales sidestepped numerous questions about how the program operated. He would not say, for instance, how many American citizens have been the targets of the eavesdropping operation, or exactly when the program started. His refusal to discuss details exasperated Democrats, who were also frustrated that he refused to answer other queries that he termed "hypothetical" about any limits to the president's powers.”
http://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2008/01...lecom-immunity

“A former AT&T employee made a harrowing discovery while working there: a secret room built specifically for the NSA, where ALL internet traffic is recorded and stored in its entirety.
Mark Klein was working for AT&T in San Francisco, when he opened the door to let in a visitor from the National Security Agency. He wondered, "What the heck is the NSA doing here?"

He discovered documents a year later which showed that the NSA had access to disturbing amounts of email, search records and other internet records from not just AT&T, but about a dozen other telecommunications providers, both domestic and global, many of them likely unaware.

Klein says he has no problems turning in AT&T for giving the NSA access to information that the Bush Administration claimed it was not using. "If they've done something massively illegal and unconstitutional -- well, they should suffer the consequences," said Klein. "It's not my place to feel bad for them. They made their bed, they have to lie in it. The ones who did [anything wrong], you can be sure, are high up in the company. Not the average Joes, who I enjoyed working with."

http://www.digitaljournal.com/articl...ng_on_Citizens

http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecry...ecom_cash.html

Satisfied? You are all trained LEO’s and/or soldiers, trained very well I’m sure. But I am a trained journalist. Understand that I will never make a claim that I am not prepared to back up, and understand that I do not take my research lightly. When I make a statement, it comes from serious investigation. I do not blame all cops for what I have mentioned in this post, but you WILL NOT deny that it is happening, not with me. I may be young and idealistic, but one thing you would find about me if you got to know me very well is that I am not naïve.

When it comes to cops and protesters, there has been violence and misconduct on both sides. I’ve seen protesters do it to police, and I have seen police do it to protesters. I have also seen police use great restraint when in all honesty, they didn’t have to. When it comes to the government, they have no excuses. They have exploited terrorism as a means to seize more power, and if you can’t see that, then it is not me who is naïve here.

[Ralph8119]

Hey Downtown, I thought you weren't going to post on this thread any longer!

[Downtown Hound]

I love how some of you keep trying to insist that my life is somehow lonely, pathetic, and devoid of meaning, MCAPO. I guess it's easier to do that than to actually debate me on the merits of my arguments alone. All that really tells me is that you have few legs to really stand on, and you reach for the insults. It's okay, I actually find it more amusing than I do enraging.

And FYI, the information collected via taxes is a far cry from actively listening to my phone calls and reading my emails without my permission and without probable cause.

[Downtown Hound]

I'm trying Ralph, but everybody keeps asking me questions.

[MCAPO]

I'm trying Ralph, but everybody keeps asking me questions.

No one is asking you any questions son. They are making comments about you or imperative sentences......

Did you think I was insulting you? I mean......it's the internet, we all don't know each other, so if you don't wear any emo jeans than why be defensive. I already have all the arguments in the bag...you just choose to ignore the whole picture and dance around the entire subject and want everyone to fall into your twisted logic.

You, from the very beginning had no legs to stand on, yet you used your stubbs to crawl up on the soap box and voice your lack of logic to everyone.

[Downtown Hound]

Well, I take "PROVE IT" as something that I should respond to. But you're right, I did say I was no longer going to post here, so this really will be my last post. Respond all you want, but I am now officially done.

So once again, I wish you all well. Take care.

[cpd169]

I think the war protesters should have to move to whatever country we're at war in, or with, that they're protesting in the first place. If they cannot understand that we're involved in a global war against an enemy who won't fight like men, but cowards, then perhaps they should go spend some "quality time" with them, like for the rest of their lives, which I doubt would be very long unless they converted to Islam very soon after arrival in the present conflict.

This war is clearly NOT like any other war that this nation has ever had to fight. To effectively fight it requires intelligence, i.e. who and where are they and who's supporting them and how. All kinds of entities track internet and cell phone traffic, including many foreign governments. Why should ours be any different? Unless you have a fully encrypted secure connection on both sides, it's not very realistic to have much of an expectation of privacy, if any.
Cellular phone traffic (and portable phone traffic) isn't secure and no one should expect it to be private unless you're talking on a encrypted satellite phone. Our radio communications aren't private (ask anyone with a scanner) unless they're encrypted.

[Ralph8119]

Not the same, Downtown puppy

This was the reason for invading a nation under Tierney!!

[dangerstayback]

I don't like protesting, but I don't know how to show it..

[Ralph8119]

I don't like protesting, but I don't know how to show it..

Bro. you can ask a cop any question, but only LEO's can post here!

[dangerstayback]

Bro. you can ask a cop any question, but only LEO's can post here!

I understand that, didn't mean to step on any toes. But, this topic has strayed so far from a civilian asking an LEO a question its pretty ridiculous, this post is a train wreck. Also, don't I get a little credit for actually fighting in the war this post has covered in so many of its replies?

[Ralph8119]

74]I understand that, didn't mean to step on any toes. But, this topic has strayed so far from a civilian asking an LEO a question its pretty ridiculous, this post is a train wreck. Also, don't I get a little credit for actually fighting in the war this post has covered in so many of its replies?

It's not my rules, a few LEO's have complained and the word is if a civilian brakes those rules here on O.com we just tell them to please be aware of them, thanks!