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  • moving to california from uk with my police car

    hello all.

    im moving to usa from london

    i own a uk ex police car,fully marked up

    what is the law on driving this on usa streets

    thanks

    i will be shipping it to long beach california[IMG][IMG][/IMG][/IMG]

  • #2
    Completely illegal as far as I know, without a 'not in service' sign at the very least.....

    Also a VERY bad idea to start with....the local gang bangers like to use anything police related for target practice on a fairly regular basis.....

    I will check the CVC for specifics on the car for you....
    The posts on this forum by this poster are of his personal opinion, and his personal opinion alone

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    • #3
      BMW Scout cars. Must be nice.....

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      • #4
        yes the bmw is a nice car

        i dont like the volvo,i know chp were triel some volvos in the past

        anyway thanks for advice.

        would be good to take my car to some shows in california,maybe attend some police shows that the police have open days.

        if i have to ill cover my lightbar up

        you can tell its not a usa police car,its right hand drive,and we have battenburg reflective,in usa you dont

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        • #5
          Originally posted by LA DEP View Post
          I will check the CVC for specifics on the car for you....
          It's addressed in 27604, 05 & 06, VC (sort of). But those sections were written for vehicles with the type of markings required for California traffic enforcement. This is a whole new can of worms.

          Check out http://info.sen.ca.gov/cgi-bin/waisg...ction=retrieve for further info.

          The light bar is problematic and the words police would have to be covered while in transit. Don't know if the vehicle would meet California emission standards. If not, it wouldn't make it out of customs.
          Going too far is half the pleasure of not getting anywhere

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          • #6
            Just has to go to the dealer and be set up to run on american roads, but it would have to be done even if it were not a police car.
            Though their numbers are many, as the grass upon the field, we will count them at the end of the day.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by kingsman View Post
              Just has to go to the dealer and be set up to run on american roads, but it would have to be done even if it were not a police car.
              That sounds a lot simpler (and cheaper) that it sometimes really is. If you go by the US Customs storage yards in LA/Long Beach harbors you will see hundreds of what used to be brand new imported cars that have been sitting there for years. They were abandoned by their importers, because their engines were never manufactured to meet US (and especially California) emission standards and the cost of converting them or shipping them back to wherever they came from was more than the cars were worth.

              It's something he needs to look into before he ships his car over here.
              Going too far is half the pleasure of not getting anywhere

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              • #8
                i never knew california had so many laws.

                in the uk you can drive around in a usa police car with blue lights and marked up,total road legal,no law yet to stop people from bringing into uk police cars and driving them around.

                my girl friend is from california,we are getting married couple months there

                we will be living there for some time

                i just thought of bringing my car with me,maybe better to sell it over here

                what do the car collectors in usa do when they goto car shows,i guess they have to cover lights up

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                • #9
                  I've sent a PM to SgtCHP and asked him to come take a look at your message and comment. This is an issue that is covered by some rather obscure and highly technical laws. He is probably the best one to advise you.
                  Going too far is half the pleasure of not getting anywhere

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by thedrifter991 View Post
                    i never knew california had so many laws.
                    Its one of their major exports... Lots of motor sports thingies and doo-dads are 49 state legal. We have 50 states...
                    I miss you, Dave.
                    http://www.odmp.org/officer/20669-of...david-s.-moore

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                    • #11
                      Sorry, the vehicle cannot be "lawfully" driven on the highways and roadways of California unless all indicia of it being a law enforcement vehicle are either covered, removed or painted over.

                      Now, if you are willing to obtain a permit, then it can be transported to and/or from an event location, movie set, etc.

                      The provisions of 27604 et al apply to all former law enforcement vehicles.

                      Painting of Former Law Enforcement Vehicle

                      27604. When a motor vehicle, painted, as required by Section 40800, and formerly used in the enforcement of the provisions of Division 10 (commencing with Section 20000) or 11 (commencing with Section 21000), is sold to any person and is used for purposes other than law enforcement, the vehicle shall be painted or partially painted by the seller or agency formerly using such vehicle so that it will no longer resemble a vehicle complying with Section 40800 and any insignia or other marking of the vehicle identifying it as a traffic law enforcement vehicle shall be removed by the seller or agency formerly using such vehicle before it shall be operated on any street or highway, other than to have the vehicle moved to be painted or to a place of storage.

                      The provisions of this section do not apply to former law enforcement vehicles, without insignia, which are painted one solid color, or which are used exclusively for movie or television production and display signs stating "movie car" prominently on the doors, or which are motorcycles, as defined in Section 400, without insignia.
                      Amended Ch. 340, Stats. 1981. Effective January 1, 1982.

                      Vehicle Resembling Law Enforcement Vehicle

                      27605. No person shall own or operate a motor vehicle painted in the manner described in Section 40800 to resemble a motor vehicle used by a peace officer or traffic officer on duty for the primary purpose of enforcing the provisions of Division 10 (commencing with Section 20000) or Division 11 (commencing with Section 21000) pursuant to Section 40800.

                      The provisions of this section shall not apply to vehicles which are painted one solid color or to vehicles first registered on or before January 1, 1979. These provisions shall not apply to vehicles which are any of the following:

                      (a) Owned by vehicle manufacturers or dealers.

                      (b) Used by law enforcement agencies in the enforcement of the provisions of Division 10 (commencing with Section 20000) or Division 11 (commencing with Section 21000).

                      (c) Owned by persons or companies who use the vehicles exclusively for movie or television production and display signs stating "movie car" prominently on the doors.

                      (d) Owned by persons or companies who use the vehicles exclusively for funeral escort purposes.

                      (e) Motorcycles, as defined in Section 400, without insignia.

                      Amended Ch. 340, Stats. 1981. Effective January 1, 1982.

                      Illegal Use of Light Bars

                      27606. (a) No person shall own or operate a motor vehicle which is equipped with a light bar, or facsimile thereof, to resemble a motor vehicle used by a peace officer or traffic officer while on duty within that jurisdiction for the primary purpose of enforcing Division 10 (commencing with Section 20000) or Division 11 (commencing with Section 21000) pursuant to Section 40800.

                      (b) For purposes of this section the following definitions apply:

                      (1) A "light bar" means any light or device affixed to or mounted upon the roof of a vehicle and extending the width of the roof, or a substantial portion thereof, which emits amber, red, or blue, or any combination of those lights.
                      (2) A "facsimile of a light bar" is any device designed or contrived to resemble a light bar regardless of the degree of light emission or lack thereof.

                      Added Ch. 759, Stats. 1986. Effective January 1, 1987.
                      Additionally, I believe that the California Administrative Code, Title 13 (Motor Vehicles), Division 2 (California Highway Patrol), Chapters 2 (Lighting Equipment), 4 (Special Equipment) and 5 (Special Vehicles) address these specific issues.

                      Although I cannot locate it, I believe there is an opinion published, either by the Attorney General or the Commisioner of the California Highway Patrol, addressing vehicles which are privately owned and resemble "any" law enforcement vehicle; or, would be perceived by an ordinary citizen to be a law enforcement vehicle makes it illegal. As I recall it was issued sometime after the Caryl Chessman case in California.
                      Be courteous to all, but intimate with few, and let those few be well tried before you give them your confidence!

                      [George Washington (1732 - 1799)]

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                      • #12
                        I've heard of these vehicles referred to as "Grey Market Vehicles". They are not manufactured for export, and thus do not meet U.S. pollution standards.As has been noted, California's emission standards are arguably the strictest in the nation. In Alabama, the vehicle in question would violate both Alabama emission standards(We use the Federal standards), and Traffic Code restrictions prohibiting a private vehicle from displaying operable blue lights, or otherwise representing a law enforcement vehicle. In short, attempting to bring your admitedly great looking vehicle into the U.S. will be far more trouble than it's worth. It would have every chance of ending it's days at the U.S. Customs Facility in Long Beach, or any other U.S. port it was brought to.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by thedrifter991 View Post
                          i never knew california had so many laws.

                          in the uk you can drive around in a usa police car with blue lights and marked up,total road legal,no law yet to stop people from bringing into uk police cars and driving them around.

                          my girl friend is from california,we are getting married couple months there

                          we will be living there for some time

                          i just thought of bringing my car with me,maybe better to sell it over here

                          what do the car collectors in usa do when they goto car shows,i guess they have to cover lights up
                          Out of curiosity why do you have a fully marked police car if you are not a law enforcement officer? I seriously hope they do not let people drive around in marked police cars over there if they are not really police officers. That is a little scary...

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                          • #14
                            you can buy a fully marked up ex police car at auctions,over here in uk

                            yes you have to cover the lightbar up and police signs,but most guys dont bother

                            they take risk.
                            if court they can have there cars crushed.

                            i also have an nypd police car in uk fully marked up,which i do charity events

                            i will be selling the nypd police car in uk before i leave

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by thedrifter991 View Post
                              you can buy a fully marked up ex police car at auctions,over here in uk

                              yes you have to cover the lightbar up and police signs,but most guys dont bother

                              they take risk.
                              if court they can have there cars crushed.

                              i also have an nypd police car in uk fully marked up,which i do charity events

                              i will be selling the nypd police car in uk before i leave
                              Getting the car crushed is the least of your worries here......

                              In alot of areas of the US (and especially in the Los Angeles area), it is taught to the new recruits to have NOTHING visible on your car or person that even remotely identifies you as a LEO.....

                              We have lost four deputies that were murdered after they were IDed as LEO....while OFF DUTY......and this is just my agency....one of around 80-100 in SoCal......

                              Something to think about.....
                              The posts on this forum by this poster are of his personal opinion, and his personal opinion alone

                              "Politicians are like diapers. They need to be changed often and for the same reason"

                              "We fight not for glory; nor for wealth; nor honor, but only and alone we fight for freedom, which no good man surrenders but with his life"

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