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    I know this kid who works construction for his uncles company and also does part time at some security agency.. Anyway in his personal car that he drives around i have seen him with all types of lights.. he has led grille lights, strobes in the headlights, strobes in the taillights, dash and deck strobes, etc.. Anyway when he turns them on the grille lights flash amber/clear and so does the dash light go amber/clear and the strobes in the headlights are amber/clear.. in the rear he has amber deck strobes and the taillight strobes light up red because of the lense.. anyway.. I was just wondering.. is this something he can have showing? all the lights are led's so when they are off they are colorless but i wasnt sure if he technically could have this stuff.. once in a while you will see him working a site with all the lights going but i have also seen him throw them on when sitting in the local hangout.. just wondering if this is something that anyone can have... i have heard from some that as long as the strobes arnt blue or red you can have them but just cant be driving with them..

  • #2
    Check with your State Department of Transportation. Each state is different on what they will or will not allow.

    Here in Iowa, red and blue are emergency vehicle only colors. Volunteer firefighters are allowed to use blue lights with a permit. Any color other than red/white/amber to the rear and its considered illegal. Also, license plate lamps need to be white only. As for the fancy stuff, provided the bulb is not visible to the rear, its allowed (to the best of my recollection of the code at this moment). Also, one can have anything they want as long as its being used only on private property - i.e. for car shows.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by SddR70 View Post
      Also, one can have anything they want as long as its being used only on private property - i.e. for car shows.
      Thanks for the info.. Yea i figured anything goes for car shows but this kid has these lights running on public roads when at a construction site and you see him in the town where he does security he has his car running the lights all the time.. i mean he stops to run out of the car to grab something in the store and he has the lights going.. then you see him parked talking to someone and he has the lights going.. personally i think the kid thinks he is a cop.. i have seen him a couple of times at a light and he throws the strobes on and runs it.. he mostly does this where the security company does the majority of its posts.. however i have also seen him working the construction site in a local town and popping illegal u-turns using the strobes.. i dont want to report him or anything but he has come close to causing a couple of accidents.. personally i think he looks pretty dumb doing it as it only shows how much of a wannabe he really is but whatever.. what are you gonna do.. thanks again for the info..

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      • #4
        In AZ, lots of construction trucks have the lights, and make all kinds of odd turns and drive the wrong way IN THE CONSTRUCTION ZONE. Outside of the zone, they must be off (unless stopped at the side of the road).

        I suggest, if the kid is running lights with them, that an inquiry with the local PD will result in an officer explaining the law to the kid - perhaps reinforced with a ticket. Better he gets a ticket now, then kills someone later.
        "A man who has nothing which he cares about more than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the existing of better men than himself."
        John Stuart Mill

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        • #5
          Seems to me based on your description, he is using them in a legit way. There are many construction vehicles and little security companies driving small compact cars in my area using the amber/clear strobes while in the performance of their job.
          "Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called Sons of God - Matthew 5:9

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          • #6
            he can use them on the construction site. otherwise he can't use them.

            39A:11-LR7. Restrictions on lamps; emergency warning lights
            a. The requirements for lamps, reflective devices and associated equipment are
            primarily contained in Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard Number 108, found at 49
            C.F.R. Sec. 571.108 as amended. To the extent that they are not preempted by federal
            law, the following additional requirements apply.
            b. A lighted lamp or illuminating device on a motor vehicle other than a
            headlamp, spot lamp or auxiliary driving lamp which projects a beam of light of an
            intensity greater than 300 candlepower shall be directed so that no part of the beam will
            strike the level of the roadway on which the vehicle stands at a distance of more than 75
            feet from the vehicle.
            c. Flashing lights are prohibited on motor vehicles, motorcycles and motor-drawn
            vehicles except to indicate a right or left turn; but a vehicle may be equipped with lamps
            approved by the Commissioner to warn the operators of other vehicles of the presence of
            a traffic hazard requiring unusual care in approaching, overtaking or passing, and shall
            display such warning in addition to other warning signals required by law. Warning
            lights in the front shall be mounted at the same level and as widely spaced laterally as
            practicable, and shall display simultaneously flashing white, amber, or any shade of color
            between white and amber. Warning lights in the rear shall be mounted at the same level
            and as widely spaced laterally as practicable, and shall display simultaneously flashing
            amber, red, or any shade of color between amber and red. Warning lights shall be visible
            from a distance of not less than 500 feet when lighted lamps are required. The two front
            and two rear turn signals shall be flashed simultaneously to display a warning on vehicles
            of the types mentioned in section 39:3-64.

            d. In addition to the flashing devices permitted above, a bus may be equipped with
            two flashing devices for the purpose of warning the operators of other vehicles and law
            enforcement officials that an emergency situation exists within the bus and shall:
            1. Be capable of activation by the operator of the bus;
            2. Be of a type approved by the Commissioner;

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            • #7
              also see:
              39:3-64: Vehicular traffic hazard warning signals (a) Every truck, truck tractor, trailer, semitrailer, or pole trailer, 80 inches or more in width shall be equipped with a signaling system that in addition to signaling turning movements as provided for in section 39:4-126 shall have a switching arrangement that will cause the 2 front turn signals and the 2 rear turn signals on the vehicle or combination of vehicles to flash simultaneously as a vehicular traffic hazard warning signal as required in paragraph (c) of this section. The system shall be capable of flashing simultaneously with the engine operating or stopped. (b) During the times when lighted lamps are required, no person shall drive on any highway any commercial motor vehicle 80 inches or more in width or any omnibus having a carrying capacity of over 10 passengers except an omnibus operated within business or residential districts on a route under the jurisdiction of the Board of Public Utility Commissioners unless it carries ready for immediate use portable emergency warning devices as follows: at least 3 liquid burning flares (pot torches), or 3 red electric lanterns, or 3 portable red emergency reflectors, and at least 3 red-burning fusees unless red electric lanterns or portable red emergency reflectors are carried. Each such device other than a fusee shall be capable of displaying light visible from a distance of at least 600 feet for a period of at least 12 hours, except that a commercial motor vehicle transporting inflammable liquids in bulk or compressed inflammable gases or explosives as a cargo or part of a cargo shall carry red electric lanterns or portable red emergency reflectors. Every such flare, lantern, reflector or fusee shall be of a type approved by the director. (c) At the times when lighted lamps are required, whenever any motor-drawn vehicle or any motor vehicle of a type mentioned in paragraph (b) of this section other than motorbuses manufactured before January 1, 1960, that have been inspected and approved as to construction and safety devices by the Board of Public Utility Commissioners, or any combination of such vehicles, shall become disabled on any roadway or the shoulder thereof, except where there is sufficient all-night street or highway lighting provided as such to make it clearly discernible to persons on the highway at a distance of 500 feet, the driver of such vehicle or combination of vehicles shall immediately, upon learning of the disability, flash the 2 front and 2 rear turn signals simultaneously as a vehicular traffic hazard warning signal and continue such flashing until he shall have placed the portable emergency warning devices required in paragraph (b) of this section in use on the roadway, and during the time such portable emergency warning devices are being picked up for storage prior to movement of the vehicle or combination of vehicles. These warning signals may be given at other times during vehicle disablement in addition to but not in lieu of placement of portable emergency warning devices on the highway as required herein. The driver also shall immediately place on the traveled portion of the highway at the traffic side of the disabled vehicle or combination of vehicles, a lighted fusee, a lighted red electric lantern, or a portable red emergency reflector. As soon thereafter as possible, but in any event within the burning period of the fusee, the driver shall place 3 lighted liquid burning flares (pot torches), or 3 lighted red electric lanterns, or 3 portable red emergency reflectors on the traveled portion of the highway in the following order: one at a distance of approximately 100 feet from the disabled vehicle or combination of vehicles in the center of the traffic lane occupied thereby and toward traffic approaching in that lane; one at a distance of approximately 100 feet in the opposite direction from the disabled vehicle or combination of vehicles in the center of the traffic lane occupied thereby; and one at the traffic side of the disabled vehicle or combination of vehicles, not less than 10 feet to the front or rear thereof. If a lighted red electric lantern or a portable red emergency reflector has been placed at the traffic side of the disabled vehicle or combination of vehicles, it may be used for this purpose. If the vehicle disablement occurs within 500 feet of a curve, crest of a hill or other obstruction to view, the driver shall so place the warning device in that direction as to afford ample warning to other users of the highway, but in no case less than 100 feet nor more than 500 feet from the disabled vehicle or combination of vehicles. If the vehicle disablement occurs upon any roadway of a divided or one-way highway, the driver shall place one required emergency warning device at a distance of 200 feet and one such device at a distance of 100 feet to the rear of the disabled vehicle or combination of vehicles in the center of the lane occupied thereby; and one such device at the traffic side not less than 10 feet to the rear thereof. (d) If gasoline or any other inflammable liquid, or combustible liquid or gas seeps or leaks from a fuel container of a motor vehicle disabled or otherwise stopped upon a highway, no portable emergency warning device producing a flame shall be lighted or placed except at such distance from any such liquid or gas as will assure the prevention of a fire or explosion. (e) Whenever a vehicle or combination of vehicles 80 inches or more in width is stopped or parked on a roadway or shoulder thereof at a time and under conditions where the immediate activating of vehicular traffic hazard warning signal is required in paragraph (c) of this section, the driver shall immediately flash the 2 front and 2 rear turn signals simultaneously and continue the flashing while the vehicle is so stopped or parked. Amended by L.1947, c. 82, p. 461, s. 1; L.1964, c. 136, s. 13; L.1964, c. 281, s. 2. 39:3-64.1. Itinerant [email protected] vehicle ~Itinerant [email protected] vehicle~ as used in this act means a motor vehicle used in the operation of the business of an itinerant vendor to carry the goods, wares or other merchandise offered for sale to the general public and from which sales are made to customers invited to the vehicle and solicited for such purpose through the ringing of a bell or the use of any other device or means designed to attract attention to the vehicle. L.1968, c. 90, s. 1, eff. June 21, 1968. 39:3-64.2. Signaling system; flashing simultaneously Every itinerant [email protected] vehicle shall be equipped with a signaling system that in addition to signaling turning movements as provided for in section 39:4-126 of the Revised Statutes shall have a switching arrangement that will cause the 2 front turn signals and the 2 rear turn signals on the vehicle to flash simultaneously as a vehicular traffic hazard warning signal. The system shall be capable of flashing simultaneously with the engine operating or stopped. L.1968, c. 90, s. 2, eff. June 21, 1968. 39:3-64.3. Signals to flash simultaneously when stopped for purpose of transacting business At all times during the daylight or at night, whenever the driver of an itinerant [email protected] vehicle shall stop or park the vehicle on any roadway or the shoulder thereof for the purpose of transacting business, he shall immediately flash the 2 front and 2 rear turn signals of the vehicle simultaneously as a vehicular traffic hazard warning signal and continue such flashing so long as the vehicle remains stopped or parked for such purpose. L.1968, c. 90, s. 3, eff. June 21, 1968. 39:3-64.4. Rules and regulations The director shall adopt such rules and regulations as shall be necessary to effectuate the provisions of this act. L.1968, c. 90, s. 4, eff. June 21, 1968.

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              • #8
                Yellow and clear are non emergency lights. That is why they are at "construction zones and (private) tow trucks" Red and blue are normally for fed/state/city agencies who are doing work for their respective agency.
                When I was an officer in NYC, I ticketed many tow trucks that had red lights facing the FRONT. They held up in court, even after one of the operators changed the red lens to yellow and took a picture of it.
                live everyday as if it your last...because one day it will be

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                • #9
                  Strobes on Civilian Vehicles

                  With the increased use of LED lighting systems it's indeed impossible to see what color the lights are, unless they're activated. From a legal perspective, "activation" would seem to be the key. In Alabama, red lights are used for Fire Dept emergency vehicles, as well as ambulances. Blue lights, or a combination of blue and red lights are used for LE vehicles. A law enforcement vehicle must use blue lights, or may utilize a combination of blue and red, but blue must always be used. From an enforcement perspective, I don't see any change in how we would enforce emergency vehicle lighting restrictions. If a "wanna-be" activates unauthorized light(s), we pop him, just as we always have.

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