I have a question about an experience I had a couple of years ago. I was visiting family out of town and I was the passenger in a car accident. I was the only person that wasn’t injured and everyone else in the car went to the hospital. The officer at the scene said that he could drive me to my cousin’s house. Before I went into his car he told me that he had to search me and place me in handcuffs. I asked if I was under arrest and he said no, for everyone’s safety it’s policy that anyone that isn’t a cop or ride along must be placed in handcuffs if they’re sitting in the car. Not seeing a better option I followed everything he said. He told me to turn around and put my hands behind my back, cuffed me, searched me, and put me in the car. On the way to the house he pulled over to talk to another officer which took about 15 minutes, Overall, he seemed like a nice guy. He explained everything to me such as double locking the cuffs and telling me that he wasn’t going to put them on too tight. When he came back to the car he asked me how I was doing. I said that my right shoulder was hurting a little bit because of the position of my arms were in so he took a second pair of handcuffs and connected the 2 together so I had a little more room to move my arms around. We got to the house and he took the cuffs off and nothing further happened. Has anybody heard of this policy to handcuff someone who was given a ride in a police car? I’ve never heard of someone being put in cuffs that was not being arrested or detained. Is anyone aware of a department that has this policy?
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That could as different as salaries across the country. At the least I'd pat you down for weapons and maybe just maybe have you sit in the front seat. Each department has its own program. And it could be different then the department next door.I'd rather be judged by 12 rather carried by 6.
It should be noted that any and all post that are made are based on my own thought and opinions. And are not related or implied to represent the department I work for.
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Originally posted by EC912 View PostI have a question about an experience I had a couple of years ago. I was visiting family out of town and I was the passenger in a car accident. I was the only person that wasn’t injured and everyone else in the car went to the hospital. The officer at the scene said that he could drive me to my cousin’s house. Before I went into his car he told me that he had to search me and place me in handcuffs. I asked if I was under arrest and he said no, for everyone’s safety it’s policy that anyone that isn’t a cop or ride along must be placed in handcuffs if they’re sitting in the car. Not seeing a better option I followed everything he said. He told me to turn around and put my hands behind my back, cuffed me, searched me, and put me in the car. On the way to the house he pulled over to talk to another officer which took about 15 minutes, Overall, he seemed like a nice guy. He explained everything to me such as double locking the cuffs and telling me that he wasn’t going to put them on too tight. When he came back to the car he asked me how I was doing. I said that my right shoulder was hurting a little bit because of the position of my arms were in so he took a second pair of handcuffs and connected the 2 together so I had a little more room to move my arms around. We got to the house and he took the cuffs off and nothing further happened. Has anybody heard of this policy to handcuff someone who was given a ride in a police car? I’ve never heard of someone being put in cuffs that was not being arrested or detained. Is anyone aware of a department that has this policy?
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I have never heard/seen this done before but I am not surprised. There's just shy of 18,000 LE agencies in the US and I'm sure there's 18,000 ways of doing something. Policy is either born from a "good idea" or in response to an incident/event.
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Trooper Bret Clodfelter was shot and killed while he was transporting a suspected drunk driver to jail. Trooper Clodfelter had conducted a traffic stop of a suspected drunk driver. He had handcuffed the driver and placed him in the back seat of his patrol car. Trooper Clodfelter offered to drive two passengers of the vehicle to their residence located nearby.
I attended Brett's funeral.
A year later, to the day, his widow committed suicide.
Nobody goes in the back of my car unless they're cuffed and searched.
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I've worked for a department with just that policy. I've transported passengers in handcuffs. It's perhaps not common, but there are agencies that do it."He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
-Friedrich Nietzsche
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Originally posted by EC912 View PostHas anybody heard of this policy to handcuff someone who was given a ride in a police car? I’ve never heard of someone being put in cuffs that was not being arrested or detained. Is anyone aware of a department that has this policy?
Originally posted by CCCSD View Post
That’s one hell of a lawsuit and it goes against 4A Rights."I am a Soldier. I fight where I'm told and I win where I fight." -- GEN George S. Patton, Jr.
"With a brother on my left and a sister on my right, we face…. We face what no one should face. We face, so no one else would face. We are in the face of Death." -- Holli Peet
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Originally posted by CCCSD View PostThat’s one hell of a lawsuit and it goes against 4A Rights.
I'm not justifying it, mind you. I always thought the policy was likely another administrative overreaction to one unfortunate incident or another where an officer was killed giving someone a ride. To this day, I always search for weapons, but IMHO handcuffing should be discretionary and rarely if ever used in such scenarios."He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
-Friedrich Nietzsche
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Originally posted by Bing_Oh View Post
Nope. I always explained to someone looking for a ride that there was a policy that required they they be searched beforehand and handcuffed during transport. I then asked them if they were ok with it. Some people were and got searched and handcuffed. Some weren't and were bidden to have a safe walk and a pleasant evening.
Originally posted by Bing_Oh View Post
I'm not justifying it, mind you. I always thought the policy was likely another administrative overreaction to one unfortunate incident or another where an officer was killed giving someone a ride. To this day, I always search for weapons, but IMHO handcuffing should be discretionary and rarely if ever used in such scenarios.
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Originally posted by westside popo View PostI'm not handcuffing anyone unless I have probable cause. I tell people I'm not a taxi but if I do take a victim or witness anywhere they are only searched or frisked and put in the back seat. I got too much stuff to move from the passenger seat.
Just too much liability IMO.
Like stated it will be widely different depending on the agency.
My agency does a lot of "transporting" of people off the roadway, especially in the winter. We take a lot of people a lot of places for other reasons also.
Arrestees/detainees are cuffed & that includes civil commitments . Others are not.My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS
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