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  • trustno1
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    how about using the (rock star )to determine if somone is really trashed or not.while suspect is standing allow them to point to the ground with right arm and index finger extended towards left foot and tell officer what they see on the ground .hopefully a rock ,allow suspect to point up to sky with right arm and index finger extended and tell officer what they see. hopefully it is a clear night and the will see stars ,allow suspect to repeat above five times real fast. rockstar, rockstar ,rockstar ,rockstar,rockstar while pointing to ground and sky. looks like really cool disco dance not a standarized field sobriety test but if the suspect is able to do the test they a really trashed

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  • PhilipCal
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    Sobriety Test

    I'd have a terrible time trying to say the alphabet backwards. Properly administered, the FSTs are a pretty good indicator of driver impairment. Regarding the heel to toe, and balancing on one leg, it's not a bad idea to ask the violator if he/she has any physical injury that would prevent them from successfully completing the test. Alabama DPS utilizes the Alco-Sensor, which used in conjunction with the FST, provides a pretty decent indication of impairment.

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  • Desert DPS
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    When we administer Field Sobriety Tests we explain and demonstrate to the violator each step. I do it first, ask them if they understand, they say they do and then it's show time.

    We don't do the alphabet although it's listed on our Alcohol Influence Report. I do SFST's and a couple others. Whatever is listed on the AIR. I also have them count backwards from 37-7.

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  • pujolsfan146
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    Originally posted by Bing_Oh
    And, just for the record, I can do ALL of the tests I administer, while explaining the directions, wearing in excess of 20 extra lbs of equipment, and in any weather conditions. I do it every time I explain the tests to someone on an OVI stop.
    Lol. I was in the middle of demonstrating the one legged stand test to an arrestee a couple days ago. Before he let me finish he cut me off and asked me if I could do the test. I told him I could and if he learned not to interrupt I will show him.

    I had an attorney challenge me on this once during a jury trial. I got in front of the jury and did a perfect demonstration of all the tests. I don't get asked by defense counselors to do them in court anymore.

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  • Camo Cop
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    After administering SFST and the person has passed w/ flying colors I'll sometimes continue to act serious and play a lil joke with them like telling them: "OK, you're doing very well... if you can answer one more question correctly I'll turn you loose. After a short pause I'll hit them with "Was Mickey Mouse a cat or a dog?"

    I'm careful when and with whom I'll be silly / friendly like that but it has done a lot to break tension with most of the people I've done it with.

    Your post made me think about something... Who sits around and memorizes the alphabet backwards? As a former bartender I can tell you that we had several habitual drunks that could do it when they were waaaaaay beyond the legal limit and they could do it without missing a beat. Maybe asking someone to do it might provide a clue or indicator that you're dealing with someone who is potentially a habitual drunk. Hmmmmm...

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  • SgtScott31
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    I also want to mention that Drug Recognition Experts (or DRE's) can administer other tests that have been accepted by the courts in our state. Not going to mention the specific ones, but they're out there.

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  • Bing_Oh
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    Personally, I stick to the standardized field sobriety tests (walk and turn, one-leg stand, horizontal gaze nystagmus) and don't throw in any additional tests. I did when I was younger, but my state's courts have not been overly supportive of permitting an officer to even testify to the results of those tests, as they are outside of the "standardized" tests.

    And, just for the record, I can do ALL of the tests I administer, while explaining the directions, wearing in excess of 20 extra lbs of equipment, and in any weather conditions. I do it every time I explain the tests to someone on an OVI stop.

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  • SgtScott31
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    Most LE agencies in TN do not deviate from the three-test battery of the HGN, Walk & Turn, and One Leg Stand. These are standardized and proven to be the most effective way to prove higher levels of impairment, particularly .08% and above. By standardized, it means they were proven in both the lab and field setting by law enforcement officers. Studies were done in 1981 (original in CA), 1995 (Colorado), 1997 (Florida), & 1998 (San Diego) using these three specific tests with very successful rates concerning decisions to arrest.

    Officers using the alphabet are wasting time in my opinion.

    As far as not being able to do the walk-and-turn, that strikes me as a little odd. Unless you have some type of medical condition relating to balance or coordination, I have not met anyone that couldn't do it sober.

    The Field Sobriety tests are just another tool used in helping to determine levels of impairment. They are not the only thing we use to decide on whether we are going to arrest you for DUI.

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  • Mirrain
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    Most of this stuff isn't as black and white as it appears. While the person is concentrating on the stuff we ask them to do, we are watching other things that they are not thinking about. I'm not about to reveal all the tricks to it but it's not to see how well you can do the alphabet backwards.

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  • pujolsfan146
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    As far as doing the alphabet backwards I am sure the officer was joking around and having a laugh while his fellow employees watched. I hope he wasn't but I couldn't imagine him being serious and expecting someone to be able to complete this. I have never heard of anyone giving it backwards. If he did, and if the officer put that in the report, he would get thrashed in court by even the simplest of attorney's.

    When giving FST we look for indicators of impairment. Like mentioned earlier the more indicators the more likely someone is intoxicated. Like anything else the more you do it the better you get. DUI's are what I concentrate on when I am not on a call. I have a great deal of experience in them and can tell relatively quick if someone has a BAC above the limit.

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  • Dingbat
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    Originally posted by mlhelleckson
    All FST's do is prove impairment, if someone cannot complete the standard FST then they will have to give a blood or breath alcohol sample to prove DUI (BAC .08%). In Nevada by having a driver’s license you are giving something called implied consent. By driving a vehicle you are giving consent to law enforcement to take a breath or blood sample to determine alcohol levels.

    I will look up Flordia law to see if it is any different.

    Florida has that same law. If you refuse the test you can lose your DL on the spot.

    She said no to it, As for me not being able to do the heel toe thing. Im just not cordinated. I have had alot of ear trouble since i was a baby (7 sets of tubes, ear infections and things along those lines). Never really considerd that to be a reason i cant.

    Thank yall for the response. I always assumed the test was a pass or fail thing. If you couldnt do it you fail and are considered intoxicated.

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  • StudChris
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    While I was in the academy our DUI instructor did do the alphabet thing. However he didn't do it backwards or anything. He only does it when he is going to make the arrest, and what he does is he tells them to start and stop at a certain point, and in the middle of that he places them in handcuffs. He also said there are some guys who tell people they are going to do one last balancing test, and they have to lean forward, stare at a little light, and keep their hands behind their back. I kind of like that one.

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  • exComptonCop
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    I'm going to have to admit, DUI was not my specialty. Not that I avoided them, but there was always something else to do. As a matter of fact, the only time I got them, was if one rear ended the back of my unit

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  • mlhelleckson
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    All FST's do is prove impairment, if someone cannot complete the standard FST then they will have to give a blood or breath alcohol sample to prove DUI (BAC .08%). In Nevada by having a driver’s license you are giving something called implied consent. By driving a vehicle you are giving consent to law enforcement to take a breath or blood sample to determine alcohol levels.

    I will look up Flordia law to see if it is any different.

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  • eddog0415
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    The PBT test around here is KINDA voluntary. If you refuse you can get a traffic summons for "refusing a road side breath test". I only use the PBT to determine if I have to call a cab or the person is under .08 and can drive away. To many officers use this as there first test and I dont agree w that.
    The ABC backwards test is just used to see if your drunk enough to try it. Its amusing. I personally dont use it, I just ask them to say the alphabet w/o singing. I believe the officer asked your girlfriend if she could do it. A simple NO is the correct answer.
    Why cant you walk in a line heel to toe? Do you have a physical disability? If not maybe somthing is wrong with your inner ear that is throwing you off balence. It really isnt that hard. That is also the first question I ask before demonstrating a FST" do you have any physical disability that prevents you from walking in a straight line(or standing on 1 leg)"? If the answer is yes, I move to a different test and note why the person couldnt do it.

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