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  • ninjaba9
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    Thanks for the link. It contained a lot of useful information.

  • ninjaba9
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    Wow, thank you! This is some solid advice! As you can see you can only learn so much from the books, I had not thought about uniformed police work as being so intensive in terms of investigations. It isn't really the complex investigations I'm drawn to it's the problem solving aspect of police work and it seems like uniformed has that. After your statement I believe I will be trying my best to get into a local uniformed position. Again, thank you.

  • swat_op506
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    Read.


    https://forum.officer.com/forum/empl...dea-dss-or-hsi

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  • ThinBlue404
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    Honestly, I think local law enforcement is your best place to start. You say investigations are what interest you. As a patrol officer you will conduct multiple investigations everyday. They won't be murders or the most complex cases, but they will teach you the basics. How to gather facts. How to document observations. How to talk to people (arguably the most important skill for an investigator). How to tell when someone is lying to you. How to interpret laws and statutes and apply them to a given situation. When and how to make arrests based on probable cause. Rules of evidence and Fourth Amendment considerations. How to write complaints/subpoenas/warrants. How to present information to prosecutors. How to testify in court. When you apply to be an 1811, all those topics will be addressed in your KSAs (knowledge, skills, and abilities). Though local law enforcement is not a prerequisite for federal service, I think most people will agree you can usually tell who was a street cop before becoming a fed. If you aren't a slug, use good judgment, learn as much as you can, and work hard, it usually translates into being a pretty damn good investigator.

    The same applies for state investigator jobs. GBI or DCI in other states, typically hire seasoned investigators. People who can hit the ground running. You're not there yet. Sure you can work private investigations, but PIs don't check a lot of those KSA boxes I mentioned above. It simply isn't part of their job description. Even though you say you want to apply for an 1811 position down the road, it still sounds like you want jobs for which you're not qualified. There's not usually a shortcut. Best thing you can do is start at the bottom, do your time, learn and create a good name for yourself. You do that and the path to where you want to go will illuminate itself. Good luck to you and congrats on finishing your degree.
    Last edited by ThinBlue404; 09-18-2018, 11:09 PM.

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  • Sleuth
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    While I was hired as an 1811 fresh out of college, that was a long, long time ago. get some Fed 'police' (USBP, CBP) time, then go for it.

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  • Exbpa340
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    I intentionally kept it vague.

    There are all kinds of 1811 positions out there. Aside from the big agencies everyone knows about just about all Agencies will have OIGs that are 1811s to conduct investigations of misconduct in that agency/department.

  • ninjaba9
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    Hahaha I'll take that advice to heart

  • Ratatatat
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    Do you know what kakistocracy means?
    Last edited by Ratatatat; 09-07-2018, 09:10 PM.

  • ninjaba9
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    Thank you for the advice! We I was looking at Lasik prices it looked like they varied greatly, however, I haven't gone to get my free consultation yet so it could be fairly cheap for me. Also I see that your a "DOJ Agent" does that mean you're using a vague title to indicate your with one of the big agencies under the DOJ or is that a position I'm unaware about? I'm sorry if that comes off confrontational I'm genuinely curious if there's a position out their I was unaware about.

  • Exbpa340
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    I would say get the lasik if that would correct your vision. It’s not that expensive. Then get a FED LEO gig. Your covered time will start and then you can make the jump to an 1811 position.

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  • ninjaba9
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    These replies have been very helpful please keep them coming! I'm sort of looking for less traditional pathways now. Not to say I'm not considering the traditional ones but I'm curious to learn about any less traditional methods to get an 1811 position.

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  • ninjaba9
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    Yes this was a my plan! I'm thinking about other options now but that was my initial plan. I recognize your name from a few other posts I've stalked and I sort of wanted to poke your brain on working with the U.S. fish and wildlife service. It is my dream agency however I've seen you post sort negativitly about your experience there. Also would you recommend being a game warden until an 1811 or 1810 (or 0083 I'm not sure what the officers are classified as) position opens up there?

  • Ratatatat
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    I know 1811s who were PIs, but PI was never a career for them. It was a stop-gap job when they were 22, 23, 24 years old, fresh out of college and applying and testing and waiting and hoping for the 1811 golden ticket and needed money to pay their car note. Options were either $15/hour surveillance work for a PI company, or loss prevention at Target.


    There's a distinction between that scenario and a person hanging a "Thomas Magnum, P.I." shingle for ten years, thinking it would someday make them competitive for an 1811 position....

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  • reils49
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    Originally posted by Kimble View Post
    I’m a former 1811, and a former college kid with a few years work experience as a private investigator would very, very likely not be considered among the best qualified candidates for agencies that hire 1811 positions (i.e. FBI, USSS, ATF, NCIS, etc.).

    Typically those commonly among the best qualified are those who have worked as police investigators/detectives, military servicemembers (commissioned or enlisted), business managers with relavent skill sets, etc. Plus with the fed gov’t preferencial hiring of military vets, even many candidates among the best qualified who are not vets get passed over by some vet candidates.

    Try harder than the easiest job to get out of college if you’re serious about attaining an 1811 career. Take a look at the “critical skills” page on FBIjobs.gov. While that info is specific to FBI’s 1811 hiring requirements, it gives a good overall view of what other 1811 agencies tend to look for in the best qualified candidates.
    I would say this is good advice for any state investigative agency as well. If you’re talking about a stand alone agency like GBI or promoting to Investigator from within an agency (i.e. state police), you have to compete with a large pool of applicants for a small number of positions.

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  • Kimble
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    I’m a former 1811, and a former college kid with a few years work experience as a private investigator would very, very likely not be considered among the best qualified candidates for agencies that hire 1811 positions (i.e. FBI, USSS, ATF, NCIS, etc.).

    Typically those commonly among the best qualified are those who have worked as police investigators/detectives, military servicemembers (commissioned or enlisted), business managers with relavent skill sets, etc. Plus with the fed gov’t preferencial hiring of military vets, even many candidates among the best qualified who are not vets get passed over by some vet candidates.

    Try harder than the easiest job to get out of college if you’re serious about attaining an 1811 career. Take a look at the “critical skills” page on FBIjobs.gov. While that info is specific to FBI’s 1811 hiring requirements, it gives a good overall view of what other 1811 agencies tend to look for in the best qualified candidates.
    Last edited by Kimble; 09-06-2018, 04:28 AM.

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