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    if i use a batton while getting attackd during security work but i am not told to carry one by my company but i have the license for one what will happen?

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    Originally posted by joecolerulz
    if i use a batton while getting attackd during security work but i am not told to carry one by my company but i have the license for one what will happen?

    Your company will probably fire you, the DA will file charges for using a deadly weapon without authority and you will have to get your own attorney. But, you will survive. Note: If your company does not authorize its use, you are better off not carrying or using a baton; and, you should find another job!
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    [George Washington (1732 - 1799)]

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    • #3
      ok thanks. Yeah ive worked in security before and there came a point where i needed it and now im considering getting back into it as $90 a week off the government is not enough lol. iLL see what jobs they have available for armed security guards....

      thanks mate

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      • #4
        I don't know about your neck of the woods, but in the US the baton is pretty high on the use of force scale. Any strikes to the head or neck are usually considered lethal force.

        If someone pulled a knife on you, you'd be legally justified to use lethal force on them (your employer might still fire you though). However, if they just wanted to fight you'd only likely be able to justify strikes to places other than head/neck, and even those would have to be articulated in order to be justified.

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        • #5
          Will I get charged?

          If the tendency to sue in Australia is anything like it is in the U.S, a lot can happen. In most U.S. jurisdictions, the use of a weapon not authorized by your employer, places you in all kinds of danger of a law suit. That applies even if you're not charged criminally. In the U.S. private security firms, aren't especially known for backing an employee's acts. This is especially true if the action is the least bit controversial. As another member noted, the use of a baton is fairly high on the "force continium". Bottom line. You're probably better off not carrying the baton.

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          • #6
            Will I get charged?

            Originally posted by joecolerulz
            if i use a batton while getting attackd during security work but i am not told to carry one by my company but i have the license for one what will happen?
            How do any of us know if you will be charged? Ask your DA or CommAtt whatever they have in Australia. Most likely you will be fired and your company will bail on you when it comes to civil liability. But I dont see how you could be "Criminally" charged if you used it in self defense from being attacked regardless of where you hit them. Not enough detail in your post to give an accurate opinion either way.
            "Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. The MARINES don't have that problem." ....Ronald Reagan

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            • #7
              You're not told to carry a baton? Do they allow it? Is that in writing? If it's allowed, you shouldn't have a problem. If they prohibit it, don't carry it.
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              • #8
                Try OC or Taser

                Originally posted by PhilipCal
                If the tendency to sue in Australia is anything like it is in the U.S, a lot can happen. In most U.S. jurisdictions, the use of a weapon not authorized by your employer, places you in all kinds of danger of a law suit. That applies even if you're not charged criminally. In the U.S. private security firms, aren't especially known for backing an employee's acts. This is especially true if the action is the least bit controversial. As another member noted, the use of a baton is fairly high on the "force continium". Bottom line. You're probably better off not carrying the baton.

                BATON is high on Force Continuum. If you really want something that should be effective. Consider purchasing a TASER or just carrying O.C. Spray. Both are in and of themselves non-lethal use of force and can be easliy deployed from distance whereas a baton is up close and personal. Being an LEO, I don't want to get any closer to you than I need to. I carry a baton cause the policy says I have to, but other than that, It doesn't come out unless a window needs to be broken.

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                • #9
                  Only carry what you're permitted to by your company. Going outside of their guidelines is just opening you up to a hornets nest of problems. If you don't feel safe with what the company provides then switch to another company.
                  "Fast is fine, but accuracy is everything!"-Wyatt Earp

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                  • #10
                    Even though you have a license for one, I would be willing to bet that your company will not back you if you were to use it. IMHO

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