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  • #16
    Originally posted by geoff0707 View Post

    I am not trying to get out of going to college and I don't think I am being immature, I asked a reasonable question because here in Florida it is not mandatory to have a degree to become an officer so I asked if it was mandatory in my situation where I have an arrest record. That doesn't sound like an immature person to me, that sounds like a man who wants proper information to lead him to his career. I work very hard for my money and I know most of you on here do as well, I asked if college is mandatory for MY situation because if it is not and if it wont help me to become an officer than why would I waste my hard earned money on it unless I was trying to get into another field of work? I am not trying to justify the past, I admit it was a big mistake. not the domestic violence one because it was purely self defense and I had many neighbors as witnesses and yet I still went to jail and my dad feels extremely guilty for hitting me over and over again until I was forced to use self defense because he knows that he was in the wrong. As for the possession yes I was an absolute moron and it was a really dumb mistake and I kick myself every single day for doing that because at the end of the day it was my fault alone and I cant blame anybody for it. I mean no disrespect to you and I appreciate you taking the time out of your day to help me out with answers to benefit me. But don't get the wrong idea about me trying to find the easy way out, because I'll do what needs to be done.

    Now would it be smarter to go into college for a different field than law? So this way I can have a good steady career while waiting for time to pass?
     

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    • #17
      Originally posted by geoff0707 View Post
      I am not trying to get out of going to college and I don't think I am being immature,


      Originally posted by geoff0707 View Post
      I asked a reasonable question because here in Florida it is not mandatory to have a degree to become an officer so I asked if it was mandatory in my situation where I have an arrest record.
      Look, what you need to understand is that LE hiring is exceptionally competitive. We'll get hundreds of applicants just for a slot on an eligibility list that may or may not lead to an opening at some point in the future. You will NOT be evaluated in a vacuum. You WILL be evaluated in comparison to all the applicants.

      What that means is that while you may meet all the minimum requirements for a particular job, if there's 50 people who exceed your qualifications, they will get hired over you EVERY SINGLE TIME.

      While you have some pretty significant black marks on your past, there will be dozens, if not hundreds, of other applicants who don't have those marks at all. That means YOU have to work that much harder to stand out from the crowd. Your positives have to be so incredibly stellar that they make the negatives fade away.

      I guarantee you that you WILL be competing against a LOT of people who have college degrees. Now, what do you think you should do...?


      Originally posted by geoff0707 View Post
      Now would it be smarter to go into college for a different field than law? So this way I can have a good steady career while waiting for time to pass?
      It's been said a million times around here, but I'll say it again. A criminal justice degree is only slightly more valuable than the paper it's printed on. A criminal justice degree does almost nothing to prepare you for a law enforcement career, much less anything else. From a hiring standpoint, I'd rather see someone with a degree in underwater basket weaving than CJ.

      Second point, LE is a tough career. The majority of people who start an LE career, will not finish it. Do you want to be in mid-30's, done with law enforcement for any of a multitude of reasons, and have absolutely NOTHING to fall back on? There's a lot of former cops that have fallen into that trap.
      Originally posted by kontemplerande
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      • #18
        Originally posted by tanksoldier View Post

        This.



        True... as long as you can get good grades. An "A" in CJ beats a "C" in Psychology.



        Have to agree. My advice is finish college, put some military time under your belt IF YOU WANT TO SERVE NOT TO PAD YOUR RESUME.

        A lot about the military sucks and if you get disgruntled and screw it up you'll have consequences that follow you for life.

        Many colleges have police departments that hire students part time as security aids or the like. You do traffic control, escort people to their cars at night and things like that. That type of work would be seen favorably especially if you do well enough to get a recommendation from someone in the department.

        Do all that and keep your nose clean and you'll have a good chance with many departments.
        Thanks for the tips! I actually forgot to mention in my original post a very important part lol I didn't mean that I am trying to become an officer right now at this moment. I know everything is too recent and that have to put in some good quality years. I meant to ask was basically am I screwed for life? But everyone answered that if I have a good job and academic record for years and keep my nose clean than I should be okay. I am 22 right now but I wasn't planning on being a officer until around 26 years old so that puts 6 years between my last arrest. I'm sorry I forgot to mention that detail and if I gave the impression of wanting to be a cop right now, because I know that isn't possible. I would love to join the military, I did 4 years of JROTC in highschool but I cant leave my grandmother she needs someone to help with the bills and to help take care of her, I know I have to put my life before other people but she has done a lot for me so the least I can do is be there for her in her time of need. But im not going to let this time go by wasted! In the mean time until I am 26 I will get my D and G security license, fix my credit, work for Brinks for 4 years to show a good job history, and go to college to earn my degree in either CJ or accounting. Then by the time im 26 after having all those under my belt as well as a clean record since I was 20 and clean driving record since the day I got my license im sure I can fulfill my dream! I'm going to work very hard and thank you for everyone who has replied.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by SRT936 View Post





          Look, what you need to understand is that LE hiring is exceptionally competitive. We'll get hundreds of applicants just for a slot on an eligibility list that may or may not lead to an opening at some point in the future. You will NOT be evaluated in a vacuum. You WILL be evaluated in comparison to all the applicants.

          What that means is that while you may meet all the minimum requirements for a particular job, if there's 50 people who exceed your qualifications, they will get hired over you EVERY SINGLE TIME.

          While you have some pretty significant black marks on your past, there will be dozens, if not hundreds, of other applicants who don't have those marks at all. That means YOU have to work that much harder to stand out from the crowd. Your positives have to be so incredibly stellar that they make the negatives fade away.

          I guarantee you that you WILL be competing against a LOT of people who have college degrees. Now, what do you think you should do...?




          It's been said a million times around here, but I'll say it again. A criminal justice degree is only slightly more valuable than the paper it's printed on. A criminal justice degree does almost nothing to prepare you for a law enforcement career, much less anything else. From a hiring standpoint, I'd rather see someone with a degree in underwater basket weaving than CJ.

          Second point, LE is a tough career. The majority of people who start an LE career, will not finish it. Do you want to be in mid-30's, done with law enforcement for any of a multitude of reasons, and have absolutely NOTHING to fall back on? There's a lot of former cops that have fallen into that trap.
          Okay I'll take your advice and pursue an accounting degree just in case so I have something to fall back on. But I am sure this is what I want to do, if my father can do it so can I. I'm not afraid of hard work, even since I was a kid I juggled having good grades in school, karate, baseball, and after school clubs and even till this day work 7 days a week 10 hours a day. I am also mainly leaning towards to becoming a correctional officer rather than a cop, because id like to follow in my dads footsteps. I don't know if CO is harder or easier and honestly I don't care, All I care about is fixing my life and landing that job and pushing through obstacles. Thank you for the advice you seem very wise

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Country_Jim View Post
            Now that was rude and uncalled for, your supposed to be a cop yet you take the time out of your day to find a youtube video to insult me with? Funny video though lol

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            • #21
              Originally posted by geoff0707 View Post

              I am not trying to get out of going to college and I don't think I am being immature, I asked a reasonable question because here in Florida it is not mandatory to have a degree to become an officer so I asked if it was mandatory in my situation where I have an arrest record. That doesn't sound like an immature person to me, that sounds like a man who wants proper information to lead him to his career. I work very hard for my money and I know most of you on here do as well, I asked if college is mandatory for MY situation because if it is not and if it wont help me to become an officer than why would I waste my hard earned money on it unless I was trying to get into another field of work? I am not trying to justify the past, I admit it was a big mistake. not the domestic violence one because it was purely self defense and I had many neighbors as witnesses and yet I still went to jail and my dad feels extremely guilty for hitting me over and over again until I was forced to use self defense because he knows that he was in the wrong. As for the possession yes I was an absolute moron and it was a really dumb mistake and I kick myself every single day for doing that because at the end of the day it was my fault alone and I cant blame anybody for it. I mean no disrespect to you and I appreciate you taking the time out of your day to help me out with answers to benefit me. But don't get the wrong idea about me trying to find the easy way out, because I'll do what needs to be done.

              Now would it be smarter to go into college for a different field than law? So this way I can have a good steady career while waiting for time to pass?


              OK, time for the review. When YOU ask a question, we, as a forum assume, that YOU want the truth. Each person who replied to your original question told you the truth. If you're looking for vindication of some past incidence of poor judgement, a bad decision, a less than desirable choice, you won't find it here.

              That seems to bother some people including you. If you came to us for some straight from the shoulder dialogue concerning your prospects, you came to the right place. If you want vindication, sympathy, empathy for some boners you pulled, talk to Barack Obama, Al Sharpton, or Hillary Clinton. None of them give a rusty flip about you, but just to pander to you, and bullsh..t you, they'll tell you what you want to hear. Now try growing up.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by PhilipCal View Post



                OK, time for the review. When YOU ask a question, we, as a forum assume, that YOU want the truth. Each person who replied to your original question told you the truth. If you're looking for vindication of some past incidence of poor judgement, a bad decision, a less than desirable choice, you won't find it here.

                That seems to bother some people including you. If you came to us for some straight from the shoulder dialogue concerning your prospects, you came to the right place. If you want vindication, sympathy, empathy for some boners you pulled, talk to Barack Obama, Al Sharpton, or Hillary Clinton. None of them give a rusty flip about you, but just to pander to you, and bullsh..t you, they'll tell you what you want to hear. Now try growing up.
                Nope trump all the way, I am a republican and conservative. I hate both Obama and Hillary with a passion. Most democrats are just a bunch of liberals. I I forgot to mention in my original post that I don't plan on being a leo until im atleast 26. I already knew I cant become one right now and that I have to put years between my past. I was just wondering if college was necessary or would the time be better spent doing something else. But I got my answer now and know what I need to do so thank you

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by geoff0707 View Post

                  Nope trump all the way, I am a republican and conservative. I hate both Obama and Hillary with a passion. Most democrats are just a bunch of liberals. I I forgot to mention in my original post that I don't plan on being a leo until im atleast 26. I already knew I cant become one right now and that I have to put years between my past. I was just wondering if college was necessary or would the time be better spent doing something else. But I got my answer now and know what I need to do so thank you
                  Uh huh....
                  Getting shot hurts! Don't under estimate the power of live ammo. A .22LR can kill you! I personally feel that it's best to avoid being shot by any caliber. Your vest may stop the bullet, but you'll still get a nice bruise or other injury to remember the experience.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by geoff0707 View Post

                    Now that was rude and uncalled for, your supposed to be a cop yet you take the time out of your day to find a youtube video to insult me with? Funny video though lol
                     

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by geoff0707 View Post

                      Now that was rude and uncalled for, your supposed to be a cop yet you take the time out of your day to find a youtube video to insult me with? Funny video though lol
                      Here's a clue: Nobody cares what you think or what offends or insults you.

                      In fact, showing your thin skin is like throwing blood in the water for sharks.

                      It's like that in real cop work, so don't be too surprised we act that way here.

                      You ask a question, you take what you get in response and move on.

                      If you don't understand something that's one thing but don't EVER criticize the response given by an officer who's taken his time to bother to respond at all.

                      If he wants to post a funny video he posts a funny video. Deal with it and drive on.
                      Last edited by tanksoldier; 09-29-2016, 05:09 PM.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by tanksoldier View Post

                        Here's a clue: Nobody cares what you think or what offends or insults you.

                        In fact, showing your thin skin is like throwing blood in the water for sharks.

                        It's like that in real cop work, so don't be too surprised we act that way here.

                        You ask a question, you take what you get in response and move on.

                        If you don't understand something that's one thing but don't EVER criticize the response given by an officer who's taken his time to bother to respond at all.

                        If he wants to post a funny video he posts a funny video. Deal with it and drive on.
                        This 100%. If you can't take crap in here, no way you will make it in LE.

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                        • #27
                          Get a degree in Spanish. That would offset your DV incident with a lot of agencies where I live. Most PDs in my area need Spanish speaking Officers.

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                          • #28
                            I'd say you're screwed for now. Try in about 10 years after a college degree, steady job history, and no police involvement at all. Consider military as well.

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                            • #29
                              Sounds like you started doing the right thing. All you need now is a longer gap of time between the bad stuff and the good stuff. If your willing to work in another state, their may be better options for you. Some agencies have a little more liberal hiring guidelines. For example; look at Seattle P.D., They allow an extensive drug usage in an applicants past. And Im talking about hard drugs. I couldn't believe it when I read it. My agency would probably hire you. If interested: JOINNOPD.ORG

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