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    Hello to all. I have noticed that many officers are wounded or killed during a traffic stop when the suspect jumps from his car and opens fire on the officers through the windshield. Don
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  • #2
    Very simple answer........too much money involved. Would cost way too much for many departments to afford. Most can barely keep their vehicle fleets updated due to budget restraints let alone afford bullistic windshields.
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    • #3
      Thanks for bringing the cost factor up k9tosca. I forgot to mention that in my other post. I'm sure that if officers made it known to the media and public about this big issue that some sort of manner in which to pay for the windshields could be determined. I mean all of those tax dollars that go into unnecessary things could be used in order to protect the officers and the public as well. Even if some departments issued bullet proof windshields to some cruisers i.e. the ones going into the known danger zones that would be a big help.
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      • #4
        If only more people thought like you. In fact the average taxpayer could probably give a $%&* less about the police. Taxpayers always look for a way out of spending money on things like that. It will never happen. I wish it was different but until you are either a cop or need one for something you don't appreciate them. There are few people who fit in the other category that actually "care" about police. As in they donate and fight for budget adjustments.
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        • #5
          I think another problem would be the weight. For a clear glass window to be bullet proof, it gonna weigh a ton.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by e-man
            I think another problem would be the weight. For a clear glass window to be bullet proof, it gonna weigh a ton.
            The sh**palas definitely couldn't handle the weight.
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            • #7
              I don't know where you 'noticed' that many officers are killed stuck in their cars on traffic stops. In fact of all the officers ever killed by suspects in the line of duty I would have to say that the percentage killed that way is extremely low. If you have any facts I would be more than willing to hear them. From what I've read/heard, most shootings are between 5-10 feet and last 2-5 seconds.

              The only benifit I would think of bullet proof glass on a squad car would be for cover during a gunfight if your vehicle was close to you. Generally though we are taught to stay away from the "coffins." The black and white is just a big target and seems to draw bullets.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Niceguy07
                Thanks for bringing the cost factor up k9tosca. I forgot to mention that in my other post. I'm sure that if officers made it known to the media and public about this big issue that some sort of manner in which to pay for the windshields could be determined. I mean all of those tax dollars that go into unnecessary things could be used in order to protect the officers and the public as well. Even if some departments issued bullet proof windshields to some cruisers i.e. the ones going into the known danger zones that would be a big help.
                I think if it were left up to tax payers, they rather hire more police than retrofit cruisers with ballistic windshields. This would be especially true in the Republics because people are not allowed the right to self defense so therefore a police officer should be stationed at every intersection in those Republiks.

                Ok....finished vent.

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                • #9
                  [QUOTE=Niceguy07]Hello to all. I have noticed that many officers are wounded or killed during a traffic stop when the suspect jumps from his car and opens fire on the officers through the windshield. Don
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                  • #10
                    Reason for Editing.
                    Last edited by lazycop; 02-15-2010, 09:47 PM.
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                    • #11
                      Give me one example.
                      I`ll give you twenty years.


                      [QUOTE=Niceguy07]Hello to all. I have noticed that many officers are wounded or killed during a traffic stop when the suspect jumps from his car and opens fire on the officers through the windshield. Don

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                      • #12
                        They also draw DUI`s which is a far greater risk.
                        The weels and block are cover but I believe that the best cover is accurate return fire.

                        Since I am here to say that you may believe me.



                        Originally posted by MattG
                        I don't know where you 'noticed' that many officers are killed stuck in their cars on traffic stops. In fact of all the officers ever killed by suspects in the line of duty I would have to say that the percentage killed that way is extremely low. If you have any facts I would be more than willing to hear them. From what I've read/heard, most shootings are between 5-10 feet and last 2-5 seconds.

                        The only benifit I would think of bullet proof glass on a squad car would be for cover during a gunfight if your vehicle was close to you. Generally though we are taught to stay away from the "coffins." The black and white is just a big target and seems to draw bullets.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by marshaldan
                          Give me one example.
                          I`ll give you twenty years.
                          Not sure if this is what you were looking for, but as a WI peace officer I'm sure you recall the father and son bank robbers down near Milwaukee about 10 years ago -- the end of their pursuit, where they ran into the tree in their white van, was caught on video and played about a million times around here. Shortly after they robbed a bank, a suburban PD captain attempted to stop their van and one of the robbers (can't remember which one) exited with an AK-47 and assasinated the captain by firing through the window of his cruiser. He died with his hand on the shotgun he was trying to get out of the rack.

                          I'm not contesting the points raised earlier -- I too think it's just too much money and difficulty for a very rare occurrence. But it HAS happened.
                          Caution and worry never accomplished anything.

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                          • #14
                            Even though i am thinking about the safety of officers most of you don
                            You can trust the Government - just ask the Indians.

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                            • #15
                              Vehicles only stay on the fleet for about a year. Bulletproof windshields would be too costly and it would weigh too much. In our area, there have been no instances of getting shot through the windshield during a chase. (knocking on wood)

                              The chances of getting shot upon your arrival at your call is also minimal, IF you position your car at least three houses away from the address. Depending on the type of call, it may be further away.

                              Too many officers drive right up and park in front of the residence. Remember, dispatch can only give you information they are aware of. How many times is what actually is going on differs from what they said?

                              The key to the traffic stop shootings is to be ready as soon as you stop the car. Watching the occupants is crucial, if they get out, you better get out. If I see the driver start to exit, I immediately tell him to "stay in the car." I believe it is easier to "control" them if they stay inside.
                              Last edited by deputy x 2; 03-05-2006, 04:12 PM.
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