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  • Sleuth
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    I used to ask my in service students "what is out there that is worth your life?" We can always drop back, follow from a great distance, and wait for backup - that's why they invented overtime!

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  • wannabeenytrp
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    Originally posted by VSP734
    A few months ago, a guy I work with pulled over a car with 5 guys. One guy said, "Trooper, you do realize that there's 5 of us and only 1 of you, right?" His reponse was, "you do realize that I have 37 bullets, right?" They didn't say anything for the rest of the stop.

    Anyway, in my county in VA we only have 3 Troopers total. There's no midnight shift because we don't have an interstate, although we are on call at night. There will usually be 1 Trooper and 1 or 2 deputies out for the whole county. If we need backup, we rely on a deputy or a Trooper from a neighboring county.
    You only have 37 rounds???

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  • longdistancecop
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    What department do you work for? What is a 10-55?

    Thanks!

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  • 2k4dr
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    I just looked and realized that you live in Springfield. I work some 60 miles south of you and also used to live in Springfield and Ozark.

    Anyhow, if you were really interested and dedicated, then I'd definately say look into Missouri State Highway Patrol. I have yet to meet a Trooper that I wouldn't want beside me in a knock-down, drag-out.

    I occasionally work with guys from Troop G, they usually lurk and try and horn in our 10-55's and the like, but it's all fair game I guess.

    On the back up issue...you just have to figure out how and when to amp up the tactical officer survival skills. I don't care how fast your back up can get there but I'm betting that it's not 1,200 fps+

    CYA is the best policy, avoid dumb mistakes and know when you can't handle a situation...just about any situation affords you the opportunity to "back up, tac up, and go back in."

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  • longdistancecop
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    I think I can handle the "alone" of a trooper. I think you're all right about the mental attitude of things. Also faking a partner would be I guess a good thing unless you ask the subject to step out of the car and he doesn't see anyone. Then he'll think you're crazy and that's proably just as good! LOL! Are there any Missouri Troopers on the forums? Anyway to track them down and ask them questions about it!? I posted in the state forums in Missouri, however doesn't look like many people at least for the Missouri side look at those forums! Anyone know of any trooper websites either? Also do you think my first couple years I would be stationed out in the middle of nowhere? Anyhow I suppose the ride along will really help me out! Anyone have any tips on GAINING weight? I'm like 5'10 130lbs I need to get toned etc... Any area of expertise and furthermore a diet to go on? I know that's kinda out of the blue but figured I would ask!

    Thanks again!

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  • lightshow2
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    I agree TBEAR, don't depend on back-up, makes you sharper in situations when your on your own alot....

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  • tbear853
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    Where I work, we have about a dozen troopers total, sometimes 13, sometimes 10 ... depending on who just transfered where, etc ... it did drop to a total of 8 in the mid '80s as budgets were frozen and several retirements hit us here in the area at once.

    They try to schedule 2 on days and 2 on evening shifts, and then the midnight (10pm-6am) man that pulls it 7 nights in a row, then it's on to the next man.

    We have a great relationship with two small cities here and the county sheriff's dept. that usually has one or two men on midnight as well. On traffic stops, you know you are likely alone, but they don't.
    Sometimes at night when I am up at the drivers door talking, I will make a comment out loud to my buddy "Stick" over there in the dark (he's fictitious, but again ... they don't know that) like "Yeah, just watch that side" or "No, that's OK" or something, as if he asked a question or something. I do tend to show my attitude of "I am going home, at any costs".

    Even in the day, even when several are working, we may well be 25 miles apart when making stops, etc. If we hear some one running a 10-27/28/29 and there is anything unusual in the voice, we start that way. If they get something a bit special, we start that way. If it's a big wreck and they will maybe just need traffic control or a hand with the paperwork, we start that way. We start that way a lot.

    We don't argue over who makes an arrest, so long as it's made when needed and no one is hurt. There are no turf wars here. Get the job done, no one's looking for special "recognition".

    You get used to it, you develope strategies (this being a public forum, I'll keep most of mine to myself) of dealing with it. You learn to live with it as if it's natural and you maintain an air of confidence, no matter what you really feel. You quickly learn to never depend on anyone to watch your ***, because most of the time ... there is no one (and that may not be so bad, as some studies have shown that two man cars can be a hazard when both officers start counting on the other to watch their ***, and both can get lazy about it and soon ... no one is watching anyone's *** except the witress's ... but that's another story).

    Main thing is to cultivate and maintain a good working relationship whith your local depts and individual officers. Don't be demeaning of them behind their backs at the local coffee stops, don't be gosiping about the men. Be mutually supportive of them, be happy when you get called to a scene in the city and they just want some advice about a truck's size or weight or the driver's CDL. Ask them to sit with you when you see them eating at the same restuirant as you are.

    They are all great guys ... every one of them.
    Last edited by tbear853; 10-08-2005, 12:41 AM.

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  • JHoek
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    Michigan State Police double up at night....



    I hear that the troopers are scared of the dark

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  • lightshow2
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    back up

    On the flip side... my husband was a Deputy and worked in a huge area, sometimes completely on his own, and the Troopers were awesome to him, they were always there to back him up if he got in a scary situation, great bunch of guys!!

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  • VSP734
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    This post has been deleted.
    Last edited by VSP734; 06-22-2007, 09:15 PM.

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  • lightshow2
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    ride alongs?

    In our State, ride alongs with State Troopers is not allowed. I think the only exception is if you are seeking a career in Dispatch, or already hired as a dispatcher. Is this the same for other States?
    Thanks

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  • friedom77
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    Where I'm at, help is not too far away from other troopers and/or locals but guys up north could be 300 miles from the next LE officer. It all depends. Just be smart about how you pick your battles.

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  • Sleuth
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    My wife was one of the first female troopers in a Western state. This was 1970's, when she had to wear male uniforms (and body armor). She was sent to a small post, told "You are taking a man's job", and detailed to midnights.
    She learned to overcome resistance, usually by talking them into the cuffs. One drunk drove through 3 counties, "just to see how far (my wife) would follow her!"
    Payback hurt: Drunk went to jail in county #3, but, per state law, her car was towed to county #1. Next day, drunk gets released, and wants to know how she is to get to her car? My (future) wife told her to hire a cab - and these are BIG counties. Figure a $100 cab fare.

    I worked for a Federal Agency along the border, where backup was usually 45 min,. to an hour & 1/2 away. Stopping cars with 7-12 people, or large loads of dope (200+ pounds) solo at night were regular occurances. You learn to adapt, improvise, and overcome. If you develop the proper outlook and mental attitude, it's not a big deal. Tools help too - we carried handguns, rifles, leg irons, multiple cuffs, etc.

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  • longdistancecop
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    Thanks for all the replys! I appreciate it. I think that I really need to do a ride along and see what it's like first hand. I heard them going off shift around 0200, and then being on call. I wonder if these agencies will put you out in the middle of no where for your first year or two and if you would be able to transfer to a metro county etc... Does anyone know on that? I'm surprised so many people replied to my messages. I really appreciate the wealth of knowledge I'm gaining hear. I just think the troopers uniforms (for most states) look great and really professional. I'm still thinking about city police just due to the fact that at least you know you'll stay put for you're career. Plus the fact that you can move up into investigations etc... I know on the east coast that it's state police so you can move up to detective etc... if you wanted to i.e. you get selected/hired for that postion. Anyhow thanks again and please keep the responses coming.

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  • purdinpopo
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    I am not a Missouri Trooper, I have ridden with a few though, when I was off duty with my agency.

    Missouri Troopers Usually cover two counties, unless they are in an urban area, Some of the Troop-c guys cover a few miles of 270. Yet some troop-c guys work Pike/Lincoln and could have a response time of up to 45 minutes, Thats lights and siren boys and girls.

    Missouri Troopers Usually go off duty by 0200, then they could be called out, only once did I have a Trooper show up with even needing a shave, I was told by one that he shaves before going to bed.

    Whether you have back-up depends on the place. I know of Muni's that will not let their Officers cross the city limits, for any reason, including backing up another cop.

    Some Counties have such poor relations with everyone else, that they will not back-up others. Many deputies that work those places will take the butt chewing and do it anyway. One county I worked for we were not supposed to assist at accidents unless directed by the sheriff, an often violated policy, and we did not get yelled at unless the Sheriff felt like it, or a citizen complained, and they did.

    There are several counties in Missouri that do not have 24 hour service, I know that some of these counties at least try to say on as long as MSHP is on but not all do.

    If you are a Trooper here sometimes your nearest back-up is in his jammies. When I was working at one muni, the repeater cut out and the County who dispatched for us sent a just gone off duty Deputy to check on a traffic stop I was on, he showed up in his pajamas and a robe, when I said "hey thats some serious Officer presence", he said "well I brought my gun, I figured it was just radio trouble, but if you needed me, all you really needed was another shooter"

    Missouri really is the dark ages for Law Enforcement, philosophy-wise, but the State Patrol is pretty good, as long as they do not get too big a head....
    Last edited by purdinpopo; 10-06-2005, 01:13 PM. Reason: correction

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