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  • Faint
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    I have heard several stories of guys preparing and going through everything getting hired, and quitting after 2 weeks. If this happens im sure it will be discouraging, but I will still have my degree and Guard experience and it will probably teach me alot about what I want to do with my life. The idea I like most is the variety. I understand that a TON of the work is paperwork and I am ok with that. But LE has much greater variety than if I got a job where I was marketing vacuum cleaners, or developing a Mac & Cheese assembly line.

    The worst risk in life is never taking one.

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  • K9 Police
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    Faint,

    Most of us, myself included, have gone through what you are experiencing especially when it comes to obtaining a law enforcement career. It is not easy, and it is good that you are looking at your options and weighing the good versus the bad.

    Not to say debt is good, but if it means obtaining an education that will bring oppurtunity to myself and my career, I will do it in a second. Yes, graduating from school with 30,000 in debt is not fun, but is it worth it. I will argue a million times over, yes. National guard or armed services sounds good for your situation, but don't rule out going back to school if you now know your "drive" and how to pursue it.

    Something I really didn't know before getting into this profession, some people love it, some people hate it. There are some people that work very hard for a very long time to get into this profession and come to realize that it wasn't what they were expecting, even after doing a ton of internships and other positions (dispatching). Not to say that this will happen to you, but it does and it is something that you must be concious of as you go through the motions of trying to get hired.

    Even I wonder exactly where I am headed and what to pursue next. I truly believe that it is a never-ending journey through life.

    K9

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  • Faint
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    Yeah I know but im not signing anything anytime soon.

    I'm just at a point in my life where I really need to do SOMETHING. I really want a future in LE. It is the only career I have been interested in my entire life. I wasted some time and money in college becuase I had no drive.

    Well just let me list what is going on in my head.

    Problems-

    Scraping by moneywise
    Degree not finished
    Some debt- student loans and a 3500 car i just bought.
    My parents don't have the money for me/I'd rather work for my own future
    Life feels stagnant

    Why the guard sounds so good-
    Finish basic get some skills+come home with over 7k
    Get paid to go back to school
    Get myself whipped into shape at boot
    Pay off my car drop comprehensive and collision (that would save 250 a month by itself)
    EMT certification
    Pay off 4k in student loans

    Or... scrape, work get in more debt and try to pay for car, school, insurance, and then hope my degree is enough to get me a police job.

    I'm really at a point in my life K9 where I am sick of not going places. I just feel like the military will give me a good kick in the *** and really, really, help my financial situation.

    But I am not signing anything till I get all the info and I am not signing it soon. Just with what they have offered it sounds like I will be alot happier if I do this than if I continue how things are going now.

    I'm not a dumb guy. I quite sharp actually. Over-excited? Yeah I do that. My skipping around posting. The reason mt goals have been skipping is because gettign hired in LE is WAY more complex than I thought it would be. I am taking in tons of information day to day. I am learning alot of things every day. I will keep learning things too and I will learn everything about the guard before I sign.

    I really appreciate your concern. It feels good to know that people care. Ecspecially the boys in blue!

    Edit: Interesting bodie hasn't come in here telling me im screwed yet. ^_^
    Last edited by Faint; 09-09-2005, 02:26 PM.

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  • K9 Police
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    Faint, slow down a little. You don't have to make any quick or rash decisions, especially if its going to effect you for the next 6 years. Take a deep breath and think things through a little before just jumping all over. You went from your original post of only a couple days ago about applying to PPD, to going back to school, to not wanting to go into the armed forces because of possible marriage, to now thinking about 6 years of national guard duty. Definetly not light thinking. Don't rush this, especially something as important and critical as joining the armed forces.

    K9

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  • Faint
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    I understand the risk of deploying. If I am too scared to deploy then how could i be a cop? It isn't the danger of being in combat I'm worried about. i'll deal with that as it comes. It is being away for a long time. But since I scored so high I can pick my spot and I am picking a unit that has a low likelyhood of deployment. Search and rescue medic. Also they are giving me 10000 dollars! Paying off my old school loans and paying me to go back to school after basic.

    Now I am jsut trying to decide if I should be in the guard for 3 or 6 years. I think if I go six my chances of getting deployed will be pretty high. But they compensate me better for doing 6. That is what I can't decide right now.

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  • K9 Police
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    Even if she is very familiar with law enforcement, and understands all the aspects due to family in law enforcement, it can still be VERY HARD. What you put her through will be a lot, and that is an understatement.

    K9

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  • PhilipCal
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    Feedback on planning

    In my original reply to your post, I suggested a tour in the Arizona National Guard. I stand by my recommendation, but you need to understand that there is no guarantee you won't be deployed to Iraq or another location outside of Arizona. Guard and Reserve units are now a large part of our standing Military force. In regards to your girlfriend. Be certain that she understands some of the risks, and the unusual hours etc, associated with law enforcement. If you have palns for marriage down the road, it's going to be of the utmost importance that she understand your career goals. It will be difficult enough with her understanding and support. It will be hell without it.

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  • Faint
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    Thanks for your reply K9.

    I just got back form the military recuitment test and scored in the 98th percentile of all test takers. I think I could get a good bonus and some great experience and background with a tour with the natl guard. I'm very seriosuly considering it considering I just qaulified for all the jobs also.

    To answer your question K9. I had no drive. My major was undeclared. I was trying to tell myself about these goals I had heard other people say were good but I didn't care for at all. I agree that I definitely blew an oppurtunity there but I was just taking random classes with no real long term goal. Now I have a goal.

    New plan:

    Continue school and get a job as a dispatcher for now. Probably go for the national guard because it isn't a huge time commitment but I can learn some great skills and ease my financial situation. I feel if i work dispatching, working in the guard, and get some more schooling then I can hopefully make myself a prime candidate for the police force. My ultimate goal is to move beyond patrol to a special crime division once I can get a look at all the variety of them.

    Thanks for your info people and giving me some great advice about putting on the breaks and preparing well!

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  • K9 Police
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    If you can "ace" all these tests, why did you flunk out? Should have stayed in school and graduated. But with "should of" aside, go back to school or go the military route. Find a job where you can gain some maturity and show that you can be ethical and honest. As of your description right now, I would not foresee Phoenix or anyother PD taking a chance on you right now.

    Getting a 100% on a police application test is fine and dandy, but it only gets you to the next step in the process. You would have major problems during any police officer interview with your lack of experience and education. Remember, you are applying with other applicants who, basically, you are competing with to get the job. You have to market yourself as the best candidate there is for the job, and be able to back up why they want you and what you could do for them. If money is tight, take out some loans like most people do. Relying on a department to get an education is thinking backwards.

    K9
    Last edited by K9 Police; 09-07-2005, 02:37 PM.

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  • Faint
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    OK I contacted the AZ national guard as I would like to do something that would keep me close to home. I'm gonna go ace their test and see what they offer me.

    I spose a good course would be to get hired as a dispatcher while im in the guard and then apply after a couple years. Would I need to wait until my tour was completely up in the guard to apply as a cop?

    Thanks so much for all your advice.

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  • Tim Dees
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    You've received good advice here. Most people aren't ready to be cops when they're 21. It's a rare person who has the necessary amount of life experience at that age to do well, so a 21 year old applicant is looked at a bit more closely, anyway. Your juvenile and young adult record is pretty sad. If you were to join the reserves or National Guard, you would get money for school and gain some valuable life experience. By the time you finish your hitch, and assuming you live right in the meantime, those other issues will be so far in your past that they should be negligible for hurting you on a background investigation.

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  • Faint
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    I was never arrested. I just got served tickets when I was 16.

    I am worried to join the reserve or guard because my gf is very important to me and we plan on getting married. I wouldn't want to leave for a prolonged period to a place like Iraq. Is there any way to join where I can guarantee working near home? I have the smarts for the more technical positions in the miltary also.


    OK I am looking at ASU online to finish my associates degree at least. Safer than the military and sounds like it will be as good. Alot of cops on here say getting a CJ degree doesn't matter much and that maybe an unrelated degree would be better!

    Anyone wanna drop some good suggestions for majors?
    Last edited by Faint; 09-07-2005, 01:09 PM.

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  • PhilipCal
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    Feedback on planning

    I can only agree with the advice you've been given. Your arrest record, and traffic history would be of concern to my department, though not necessarily disqualifying. A successful tour of duty in any branch of the Armed Forces,or the Arizona National Guard would be of benefit to you as well. This would put some distance between the errors in judgement,and establish a record of reliability and maturity as well.

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  • Faint
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    My financial situation is hurting right now. I was hoping to take classes when i got hired since they give reimbursement for related school.

    I definitely want my degree but right now it is hard to find any job where I can afford enroll in classes. Rent, car, car insurance really add up and eat up most of my paychecks.

    I really appreciate your advice and agree with the schooling part.

    I'm looking to get hired as a dispatcher until I apply as a LEO. Between now and then I'd like to take some CJ towards my associates at least. If I apply while I am in school for CJ do you think that would reflect well?

    I still really want to give it a shot and want to continue my education now and after I (hopefully) get hired. Would it hurt to apply in november anyway?

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  • reuters
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    Ditto Webjeep and z2. You gotta have at least a degree to stay competitive. Let me give you an example...I personally know someone with no degree or military experience, and while he had massive explorer/reserve experience, it still took him at least 3 years to get hired...and thats with LE experience. The LE market is flooded with apps and having either a college degree or military experience not just shows, but proves that you are goal oriented, perserverant, etc etc etc. Its not just about the education itself, but the commitment and hard work that a degree or military experience symbolizes. Hopefully this helped a bit...good luck.

    Edit: Sorry guys, didn't know this as Ask-a-cop. Thought I was in Job Center. I won't post here again.
    Last edited by reuters; 09-07-2005, 02:14 AM.

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