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  • ftlaudcop
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    I just look at who i would want in a "john wayne" bar- room brawl ...

    when we had to close down the bar's in cape canaveral after 2 am,

    we always had to chase the z.z. top looking fishman, and riff raff out,

    when i was with a smaller stature deputy they did'nt take us serious,

    if i was with a similiar 6 ft 200 pounder, ***'s were gonna be beat,

    if i was with a taller 250 plus guy, they'd haul *** real quick.

    I get a chuckle outta these 5-1 female's who where c.s.a's

    or...p.s.a.'s and wanna go on road patrol in our lilly white

    districts instead of putting them in the jail where they get baptism

    under fire and gonna fight quite a bit.

    www.schackdaddy.com

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  • RobSlig
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    I believe in strength in variety.

    I also believe a test should be standard every year.

    No matter how fat you are, if you pass, your good to go. If you fail, you get x number of days/weeks, bla bla bla to fix it or show improvement.

    There is strength in variety but a 400lb cop who can not walk up a few flights of stairs is a problem. On the other hand, if that 400lb cop can pass the test then who cares.

    When I said the variety thing, I did not mean someone who is so out of shape they are a danger to themselves and others around them.

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  • kcolg
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    [QUOTE=mobrien316] Until that day happens I

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  • cst.sb
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    Ok, not to beat a fat hourse here... opps! I mean DEAD Horse!

    Ok, Firstly my beef with this post was non LEO's or guy's in the application process whining about the hoops they have to jump through athleticly compared to the guys they see on the street.

    I also believe that if a guy is 300 pounds and can't walk up, or down a flight of stairs they should be yanked off the road.

    Now, from personal experience, I have worked out my whole life. I have trained for triathlon in 2000 to just doing weights now, and currently on my watch I am the fatest with about 16-18% body fat (addiction to pizzza). However in saying that, I started working out at 14 yrs old, 21 years ago. Currently, I am also the strongest guy on the watch and I was the strongest guy in my troop in training.

    So, it annoys me when some applicant, or wanna be says, "jez they should move the obesse guy off the street, or make them trainers."

    And as far as presence goes, I will tell you this, many of the larger cops will have a lot less people willing to take a poke at them then the tooth picks. I say this from personal experience, when I was at my leanest at 165 it seemed like everyone and their dog wanted to fight with me, but at 220 (240ish in uniform) people's listening skills have improved, and they don't seem willing to talk back.

    More importantly it's how you wear the uniform, is your duty belt hanging off you, are your boots gray from never seeing any polish, do you look asleep at the wheel. You have too look and BE in the game, whether you have 6% or 20% body fat.

    *editted to add* - I'm done with this thread.... and I'll be on my stationary bike for the next 45 minutes as we have ERT (SWAT) try outs in April and I want to be a nice lean 185lbs.
    Last edited by cst.sb; 08-27-2005, 02:16 PM.

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  • mobrien316
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    Originally posted by cst.sb
    And personally I rather have a 300lb guy with me day of the week, than some 150lb string bean marathon runner.
    I understand what you

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  • MAD_MAX333
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    Originally posted by Creeker
    I am guessing that you don't see experience in a patrol officer as a good thing.

    did you even read my post?? i said make them supers, i don't see what is so hard to understand, they have exprience?? thats great, they should teach the new guys and over look them, but if they are out of shape, then either be in a supervisor car or behind a desk... i'm not anti LEO or anything so this is not a hate post, simply how i see things.

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  • PhilipCal
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    overweight

    Alabama DPS requires an annual physical assessment. This consists of a minimum of 30 push ups/ sit ups within a one minute period. This is followed by either a one mile run, or a two mile walk. The run must be done within 30 minutes, the walk 45. As you can see, lightning speed is not required, but a certain level of fitness is. This assessment can be waived on a case by case basis with proper medical certification. The goal obviously, is a fit department. Do we have fat Troopers? Yep, but they're the exception rather than the rule. Regardless of a department's requirments, physical fitness is something we should try to achieve simply as a matter of overall health. A walk around the block can be a great form of exercise. As one poster noted, an Officer's appearence can and does make a difference in various tactical situations. While we can't all be "Recruiting poster" cops, but physical fitness is a pretty attainable goal. Thus endeth the sermon.

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  • Centurion44
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    Originally posted by Creeker
    And then what? Make experienced guys who got hurt on the job and can't run as fast or climb those fences with a single leap just a number and kick them to the curb like a used up ticket book, right?
    I apologize if my post wasn't clear enough. I'm not necessarily saying we should make a PO's annual PT test as stringent as the military's. And I think, like the military, it should be graded on a curve with a person's age and height/weight factored in. But I don't think a basic measurement of an officer's cardio, strength, and endurance abilities is too much to ask. I'm not asking they all be athletes, I'm just asking they not be so out of shape they can't eat a bag of cheetos without breaking a sweat (and yes, I knew a deputy who actually broke a sweat eating a bag of cheetos).l

    Originally posted by cst.sb
    Centurion44,

    You didn't like the fact I had "fat guys" in quotations because their were "no accusations" going on. And then you go on to make is personal by questioning my sense of responsbility and my mentality. Nice.
    Hey, man, nothing on this board is personal. I just like to argue.

    Originally posted by cst.sb
    I expected better from you. I consider you are one of the brightest people that post here.
    Thank you- you are wise beyond your years.

    Originally posted by cst.sb
    Also, how many how many guys will spend 25+ years in the infantry? At least here in Canada, the infantry is a young man's game.
    Every member of the US military, from the Generals down to buck privates are required to pass an annual PT test. There have never been an exception. Like I said, their ages and sex are taken into consideration.

    Originally posted by cst.sb
    My issue is with wanna be's that drive by a cop and say, "Well jez, look at that guy. He's out of shape. Why should I have to do all this training to get hired." Because they are also the same guys that beak off at incidents about the police not doing there jobs, because they, who have no experience or training, would have done a better job.
    Well, I think the old adage "Don't judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes" applies- doesn't matter who makes the comment. And tell you me didn't at least hear other cadets making similar comments when you were running your *** off in the academy.

    Originally posted by cst.sb
    And personally I rather have a 300lb guy with me day of the week, than some 150lb string bean marathon runner.
    What if your perp is hyped up on meth or PCP and the 300lb guy can't strong arm him? Now the perp is going for the 300lb guy's weapon and it becomes a simple battle of endurance- your unable to help (for whatever reason) and back up is 20 minutes away. Still wouldn't rather have that marathon runner who is used to have an accelerated heart rate for an extended period of time?

    Originally posted by cst.sb
    I'm also sorry you didn't like my world is not a perfect place comment, but if we made the world perfect and ideal for physically arrests, then all we'd have is 6'4 220lbs 5% body fat 25-30 year old male police officers.
    I just don't like the complacency that was indicated by you. "Eh, we have officers that are out of shape, what are we gonna do?" And to me it's not acceptable. I would like to clear something up- I agree that fat doesn't always mean out of shape. I know there are people (like me) that excercise almost every day and still have a gut. I'm talking about the people that are 250lb of fat, not the people that are 100lbs of fat and 150lb of muscle.

    Originally posted by cst.sb
    Where do you draw the line on age, gender, height and weight? I would almost guarantee that fatest male cop you know will be able to drop the strongest tuffest female cop you know. But does that make him a better cop? I don't think so.
    I had a smaller female officer instruct one of my advanced DT classes. I'd love to pit her against the fatest male cop you know. She wasn't any bigger than a minute and was throwing me around like a rag doll.
    And for the record, one of the fattest officers I ever seen in my life was female. I honestly don't know how she kept her job. She wasn't even fat, she was flat out obese.

    Originally posted by cst.sb
    In training we did a two person cuffing drill, I was the bad guy, and the two tuffest females in the troop, one the same weight as me and an inch taller, were the police officers. With in thirty seconds of whistle I had them both pinned (at the same time the video of it is actually quite funny) and I had taken one of their guns away and shot them both. Does this mean we shouldn't hire women?
    No, just means they need to train more. It also means they did good by hiring you.

    Originally posted by cst.sb
    The other thing is are all going to get older in this job and our bodies will change and so will the way we'll do this job. Experience is a huge asset and it's BS when someone civi drives by and makes a judgement call based off of someone's apearance.
    Personally, I used that my advantage. I've seen Columbo. I've been known to make the suspect think I was real stupid and ended up getting them to inadvertantly admit their crime.

    Originally posted by cst.sb
    Do I think cops out of shape cops should get in a gym and do some running? Absolutely, so they can have a life left when this is all finished.
    Exactly my point. I think some of the best officers we have mentally are out of shape physically. And if they were to get into better shape then we'd have near-perfect officers.

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  • Bodie
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    Just loose weight ................. Don't come here and cry that because you're too fat to get to be a cop ..... Do something about it ..... Get off the couch and take a walk, do something or get medical help to loose. If genetics meaning mom and dad are fat and everybody else at the dinner table is fat then you're going to be fat unless you take charge of your life

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  • kcolg
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    About the military. The US Military (each branch with their own standards) is physical. However, they are able/forced to do that neary everyday they are in the military. MOST military live a pretty healthy life: they eat well and they sleep like the human body is used to. They are instructed in how to run their lives for the betterment of their life. Most police are not. While I'd love it if every cop in the nation were like the movie 'Soldier': they aren't, they actually have to sit on their arse for most of their shift. Military get's a hell of a better jump on 'fitness' than police do.

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  • cst.sb
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    Centurion44,

    You didn't like the fact I had "fat guys" in quotations because their were "no accusations" going on. And then you go on to make is personal by questioning my sense of responsbility and my mentality. Nice.

    I expected better from you. I consider you are one of the brightest people that post here.

    Ok, you brought up the military. Absolutely a more phyically challenge job, especially in the US where you most definately going to be deployed to Iraq. Also, how many how many guys will spend 25+ years in the infantry? At least here in Canada, the infantry is a young man's game.

    My issue is with wanna be's that drive by a cop and say, "Well jez, look at that guy. He's out of shape. Why should I have to do all this training to get hired." Because they are also the same guys that beak off at incidents about the police not doing there jobs, because they, who have no experience or training, would have done a better job.

    And personally I rather have a 300lb guy with me day of the week, than some 150lb string bean marathon runner.

    I'm also sorry you didn't like my world is not a perfect place comment, but if we made the world perfect and ideal for physically arrests, then all we'd have is 6'4 220lbs 5% body fat 25-30 year old male police officers.

    Where do you draw the line on age, gender, height and weight? I would almost guarantee that fatest male cop you know will be able to drop the strongest tuffest female cop you know. But does that make him a better cop? I don't think so.

    In training we did a two person cuffing drill, I was the bad guy, and the two tuffest females in the troop, one the same weight as me and an inch taller, were the police officers. With in thirty seconds of whistle I had them both pinned (at the same time the video of it is actually quite funny) and I had taken one of their guns away and shot them both. Does this mean we shouldn't hire women?

    The other thing is are all going to get older in this job and our bodies will change and so will the way we'll do this job. Experience is a huge asset and it's BS when someone civi drives by and makes a judgement call based off of someone's apearance.

    Do I think cops out of shape cops should get in a gym and do some running? Absolutely, so they can have a life left when this is all finished.

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  • Creeker
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    Originally posted by webjeep
    ... I don't think that they should all have to be able to bench press a VW.
    Thats a good thing, because the cops that CAN do that will be listed on the "perfect charts" as being clinically moderately obese.

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  • webjeep
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    I don't think that cops should be superhuman, I don't think that they should all have to run like deer, I don't think that they should all have to be able to bench press a VW.

    I do think that cops should not look like they are 9 months pregnant (unless they are), I do think that they should be able to perform some sort of cardio vascular exertion for a reasonable amount of time (five minutes of fighting with a scumbag is like running a half marathon on the body) without having to go to the ER after, I do think that cops should be able to pull their body weight and gear up to an elevated position, I do think that cops should be able to climb over a six foot fence (solid and chain link).

    I think that these are reasonable expectations. If someone is injured in the line of duty they should be placed in a limited duty status until they are up to par. If you cannot shoot you shouldn't be on the street carrying a gun, so if you can't walk a block without having a heart attack you shouldn't be on the street either. This is a job where you need to be 100% in your game when you come to work, otherwise you or your partners may not go home.

    But those of us on the job all know that I am talking about an ideal world that will not happen in most agencies.

    my $.02

    -web

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  • Creeker
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    Originally posted by Centurion44
    I agree. I think law enforcement agencies should be required to have annual PT tests like the military.
    And then what? Make experienced guys who got hurt on the job and can't run as fast or climb those fences with a single leap just a number and kick them to the curb like a used up ticket book, right?

    This seems to be where the thread and the sentiment is going.

    BTW, none of YOU are Superman, either.

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  • Creeker
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    Originally posted by MAD_MAX333
    i understand what you are saying but people who are out of shape and on the road are a danger to themselves and possibly the public ( failer to protect the public) if they do have alot of exprience then get desk jopbs or super jobs and put ur exprience to a better use and leave the physical part of the job to the new guys no???
    I am guessing that you don't see experience in a patrol officer as a good thing.

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