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    I was wondering, I am 20 yrs old, can I go into the public police academy to train when I am 6 months away from being 21? Or do I have to be 21 to even do that? I am going to school right now trying to get atleast a Bachelor's in Criminal Justice, I would like to be apart of CSI in L.A . I was told most places don't really hire cops on until they are about 25 years old , well how old am I gunna be by the time I am CSI, cause I have read that most places you have to be a cop first, then be one for x ammount of years then you can eventually become a CSI... any help plase

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    I can't answer your questions about LA, but as a now retired 16 year "CSI", I have been answering "CSI" questions for as long as the first show has been on.

    I believe your first stop should be the Autopsy Room and view an Autopsy of a several day old deceased victim. Don't watch from a gallery where you can't smell it. Pay particular attention to the bowel incision.

    Don't let the tv shows glorify anything for you, you can't work a scene in high heels and they don't really do all of the things the tv shows show they do. Don't believe the TV Hype.

    The reality is that some Crime Scene and Evidence Techs are civilian and don't carry weapons, while some agencies prefer their Techs to be able to protect the Evidence or the scene that they are working with sworn Officers who also work as Techs. An Evidence Tech is much more likely to spend 12 hours sifting through 18 square yards of body fluid moistened dirt wearing a stifling white "bunny suit" in 90 degree weather looking for pieces of bone fragments than ever questioning a suspect or personally making an arrest. In other cases, civilian Techs at Agencies with big budgets are more likely to be Chem Majors who do nothing but sit at GCM machines testing the purity of drugs or running thousands of cases of DNA from Rape cases a week. Still others are totally occupied in agency Photo Labs, printing the pictures that can't (and shouldn't EVER) go to public Labs.

    It is the Crime Scene Tech's that spend the time crawling in the dirt and manure that get the mostly unwanted "News camera" time, if that's what you are after, although I have known a few who liked to flex in the background or scurry to carry the body out.

    While Crime Scene Technicians don't make very many arrests, they do spend a substantial time in "Big Court" testifying about "Big Crimes", which holds a lot of responsibility and the need to be able to explain why certain things were done and the order of them. If the Evidence is tossed, so is the case.

    One other thing. To be a Crime Scene/Evidence Tech means that you learn to pay attention to detail... which includes the spelling of your reports, which can be critical to your documentation for court.

    IMHO, the TV shows have done a tremendous disservice to the Justice system, since they are introducing a lot of "faux or improbable science" into the average Jury persons head, who are now doubting otherwise honest testimony in court, since "They don't do things that way on CSI". Because of those TV shows, many guilty people are walking free who would otherwise have been convicted.

    OTOH, I hear that College classes that offer courses in "CSI" are overflowing with interest, mostly with females. I'd be interested in sitting in on a few of those classes to see just how "reality based" they are.
    Do you realize that in about 40 years, we'll have thousands of old ladies running around with tattoos?
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    • #3
      Aw gee Creeker! Why'd ya have to burst her bubble? Do you mean to tell me that CSI isn't totally accurate and that you can't get fingerprints off a sandpile?

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      • #4
        No deptarment issued Humvee or DNA results in 15 minutes?

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        • #5
          If I have a purpose in life, it is to try to shed reality on "Reality BASED" tv shows. All of the "CSI's" are the biggest thorn in my side

          I've had too many starry eyed teenage girls flag me down in parking lots wanting me to tell them that the tv show is totally realistic and think they are going to just put in an application and be hired to prance around in their high heels and look cool in front of news camera's while they take pictures that won't come out because they are shooting directly into headlights.

          The ones that think they can do it in high heels, I tell them that they have to get a job as a stripper first and have a father that runs a Casino.
          (Inside Joke for people who watch the Vegas show.)
          Do you realize that in about 40 years, we'll have thousands of old ladies running around with tattoos?
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          Why are hemorrhoids called "hemorrhoids" instead of "assteroids"?

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          • #6
            assuming makes an *** out of you and me.

            You know it's rather interesting because I don't remember saying in my post anything about hte tv show csi... funny what you guys assume on here, you assume im some little barbie girl with manicured nails and scared to get dirty, assume that i base what i want my life to be like on a tv show... rahter intertesting.

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            • #7
              In the county I worked for the detectives collected the evidence, the techs (which were civilian) took the evidence to the property room and logged where it was stored. My advise would be check with the department you want to get on with and see what their requirements are. Don't believe everything you see on TV and don't come down on cops for trying to open your eyes and give you advise.

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              • #8
                Well...if you want to be a crime scene tech in the city of LA I don't think that you need to be a copper first. If that is the case that's the first I've heard of it. What do you want your specialty to be?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by MsFunsize
                  You know it's rather interesting because I don't remember saying in my post anything about hte tv show csi... funny what you guys assume on here, you assume im some little barbie girl with manicured nails and scared to get dirty, assume that i base what i want my life to be like on a tv show... rahter intertesting.
                  Not really, I pictured you as a 200lb over the road trucker. Your avatar is only there to fool us. Tell us what else you might like to do when you grow up.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MsFunsize
                    I was wondering, I am 20 yrs old, can I go into the public police academy to train when I am 6 months away from being 21? Or do I have to be 21 to even do that?
                    There was a guy in my academy class that was 20 when we started and turned 21 before we graduated. So, in Utah, it is possible to do this.
                    If you ever have sprained ankle, give me a call.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Creeker

                      The ones that think they can do it in high heels, I tell them that they have to get a job as a stripper first and have a father that runs a Casino.
                      (Inside Joke for people who watch the Vegas show.)
                      LOL.
                      When that show first came out, I was a freshman in high school and it made me want to be a CSI. I was already in the Law and Order academy (sort of like a mini-major in high school) wanting to be a K9 cop. I was really into CSI. Then, one day, an actual CSI lectured to our class and we got to know exactly what they do.
                      I wasn't so interested anymore. That, and I realized there is no way I could cut into a body.
                      I still love the show though. Mainly b/c of Grissom. Hot.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by duckfan
                        Not really, I pictured you as a 200lb over the road trucker. Your avatar is only there to fool us. Tell us what else you might like to do when you grow up.

                        more with your assuming... didnt i already say assuming makes an *** out of you and me? but then again i dont need to prove anything to you i asked a simple question and get stupid responses that have nothing to do with what i asked.

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                        • #13
                          haha... grissom...he is my facorite character if I had to choose one. Anyhow, yea I have heard some stories from some ex csi people, pretty gross, so my first step is to go to an autobiopsy or something like that... there are differant things you can specialize in I don't think you HAVE to cut into people... I wanted to be more out on the feild collecting evadince and such. that was funny cause i was thinking if it turned out that I didn't like this I could just be for K9 haha...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MsFunsize
                            You know it's rather interesting because I don't remember saying in my post anything about hte tv show csi... funny what you guys assume on here, you assume im some little barbie girl with manicured nails and scared to get dirty, assume that i base what i want my life to be like on a tv show... rahter intertesting.
                            I am not assuming, I am analyzing your post.

                            Originally posted by MsFunsize
                            I was wondering, I am 20 yrs old, can I go into the public police academy to train when I am 6 months away from being 21? Or do I have to be 21 to even do that? I am going to school right now trying to get atleast a Bachelor's in Criminal Justice, I would like to be apart of CSI in L.A . I was told most places don't really hire cops on until they are about 25 years old , well how old am I gunna be by the time I am CSI, cause I have read that most places you have to be a cop first, then be one for x ammount of years then you can eventually become a CSI... any help plase
                            #1) You are a 20 YOA Female (by Avatar), within the same age bracket (15-24) that in my experience has flagged me down at least 2 times a week when they saw me getting in or out of my vehicle which was marked "Crime Scene Unit" or decended upon my Crew at Job Fairs and "Officer Friendly Days" for as long as the show has been in existence.

                            #2) You refer to yourself as "wanting to be CSI, a part of CSI, or when you are CSI". You are virtually bubbling CSI, a terminology that was not in constant or normal use UNTIL the TV show came about, at least not in my part of the world. I think in California they were using the terminology of "Criminalist".

                            #3) You envision yourself as being "CSI" in L.A., which is a "trendy" place to be, assuming that you can't get the same experience, training and satisfaction working anywhere else, so it might stand to reason that you would want to be doing it where you could envision yourself in more of a spotlight, catching a bit of the "glamor" reflected in being on the 6, 7, 10 o'clock news in Hollywood.


                            #4) To stretch the Avatar's somewhat "implied" meaning, a "Funsize" is typically a large bag with smaller bags within, which could imply that you are trying to be a big "package" (girl), but the little "package" (girl) is really the one doing the talking. This Dichotomy might also have implications on the need to be in L.A.... as in "See, Large girls can be on tv in Hollywood, too."


                            #5)Your information... er,... more MISinformation... about hiring ages are either told to you or you read that to be "CSI" you have to have been a Cop first, either of which could be true depending upon the jurisdiction which was queried, suggest that you are a bit immature and might believe anything that you are told, rather than going to the horses mouth to get accurate information. I realize that is what you came here to get, but none of us can accurately answer the information within the parameters you ask, except for those in L.A., and their answers may even vary.

                            #6) You didn't ask to only get the information that you wanted to hear. One of the glories of this forum is that we don't have to be PC here. You will get the cold hard facts, and sometimes they might hurt your feelings.

                            #7) I'd like to re-iterate: > One other thing. To be a Crime Scene/Evidence Tech means that you learn to pay attention to detail... which includes the spelling of your reports, which can be critical to your documentation for court. <

                            Don't make your own assumptions based on your preconceived notions. The next thing you know, you will be assuming that we racially profile. This is not very Scientific.

                            If you are serious about investigating the possibilities of working in Crime Scene, there are several excellent training grounds other than L.A. in which you can gain valuable insights, knowledge and experience, and I am sure that there are large Agencies in you area that have some type of an intern type program in which you can perform the type of mundane or menial tasks that will get you in on the ground floor. You can't start out as "Grissom".
                            Do you realize that in about 40 years, we'll have thousands of old ladies running around with tattoos?
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                            Common sense... the LEAST COMMON of all of the senses.
                            --------------------------------------------------
                            Why are hemorrhoids called "hemorrhoids" instead of "assteroids"?

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                            • #15
                              JEEEEEZE...Creeker

                              I bet they cleared some serious cases w/ you at the helm. That was was some serious stuff there Quincy.

                              Now hows that for OG?

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