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  • #16
    Yeah, I agree with everyone on here that you need to speak up. If nothing else, send a letter to someone, anyone. Be it the city council, mayor, the Officer's supervisors, whoever, you just need to make someone aware of whats going on. I hate to advise anyone to make a complaint against any leo, but damnit they're making us all look bad.

    I am sorry that you are having such a bad experience with the Police in general.
    "He who controls others may be powerful, but he who has mastered himself is mightier still"

    -Lao Tzu

    "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference."

    -Reinhold Niebuhr

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    • #17
      Originally posted by BrickCop
      I think it's bad advice to suggest that she should confront each and every cop who is doing this. She should report it to the duty supervisor.
      Well see, the reason I said that she should ask the officers individually to stop is to give them a chance to stop. Instead of going straight up the chain.
      U.S. Coast Guard R since 2006.
      Petty Officer Third Class (E-4)

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      • #18
        Originally posted by retired
        I read where he said "charges" and didn't specify criminal, that's why I mentioned departmental charges.
        Ah.. I forgot some states did that. Here in Georgia, we don't call getting in trouble for violating departmental SOP a "charge". At least not in any of the agencies I'm familiar with. The only "charge" we have is a criminal one.
        Sign here. Press hard. You are making five copies.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by 6233108
          Go straight to the top...Mayor or City Council. This behaviour by officers is probably given tacit approval by the police department brass (they probably taught the officers below them that it is OK). Sounds like they have a culture of disrespecting females at the local PD, have all your friends who have experienced the same crap go with you when you meet the Mayor or do it at an open council meeting.
          I'm not so sure I'd indict the entire department without a few more facts. Since we have not heard the specific comments how do we know they are out of line? Without hearing the nature of the comments, I would not be so quick to pass judgement. I'd like to hear a bit more before I sell the entire department down the river.

          I think the first place to start would be speaking to the watch sergeant at the station in question. If there was in fact misconduct and the sergeant does his job, an IA investigation would be initiated. I think when people jump the chain of command it tends to undermine their credibility. After all, you complaint to the mayor & city council, what do they do? Hand it back down to IA.
          Last edited by Stan Switek; 07-24-2005, 12:18 PM.

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          • #20
            I would have believed you up to the point where you said they were making lewd comments. In this day and age, that would simply be career suicide.

            So, go sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
            You have no right to not be offended.-Neal Boortz

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Centurion44
              I would have believed you up to the point where you said they were making lewd comments. In this day and age, that would simply be career suicide.
              I agree. Everyone at my PD is walking on eggshells when it comes to interacting with females, I can't see any cop with half a brain acting like he's on a Warner Brothers cartoon, turning into a wolf and whistling whenever a female walks by.
              Talk sense to a fool, and he will call you foolish - Euripides

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Delta784
                I agree. Everyone at my PD is walking on eggshells when it comes to interacting with females, I can't see any cop with half a brain acting like he's on a Warner Brothers cartoon, turning into a wolf and whistling whenever a female walks by.
                Some don't have a half brain.

                More women say deputy raped them

                CALIFORNIA -- Testimony is expected to continue today in the preliminary hearing of a Riverside County sheriff's deputy charged with using his authority to victimize four women while he was a patrol officer in Moreno Valley.

                Two women took the stand Wednesday, one saying she was forced to engage in oral copulation with David Kushner while she was handcuffed in the back of his patrol car in early 2002. Another woman said Kushner beat her and attempted forced oral copulation because she had contacted the FBI to report being touched inappropriately by Kushner when he was frisking her in a spring 2002 incident.

                As with three previous witnesses, both women on Wednesday said they had had previous brushes with the law. The woman who accused Kushner of attacking her in the back of his patrol car said that she was addicted to methamphetamine for 11 years before she kicked her habit 22 months ago.

                Kushner is charged with 14 felony counts, including kidnapping, rape, oral copulation and sodomy under color of authority.
                Retired

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by retired
                  Some don't have a half brain.

                  More women say deputy raped them

                  CALIFORNIA -- Testimony is expected to continue today in the preliminary hearing of a Riverside County sheriff's deputy charged with using his authority to victimize four women while he was a patrol officer in Moreno Valley.
                  That's one cop, "loolie" makes it sound like an entire NYPD precinct is on constant Viagra overdose.
                  Talk sense to a fool, and he will call you foolish - Euripides

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                  • #24
                    On the flip side of that one, I personally knew a deputy who lost his law enforcement career because one weekend he went to a club and a woman accused him of kidnapping and raping her.

                    I'm not going to go into specifics, but there were many holes in the "victims" story. The least of which she was given many opprotunities, according to 3rd party witnesses, to get away and she didn't.

                    I knew the deputy fairly well, and something what this lady said he did is just outside his character. I'm not sure what became of the case, I knew he was arrested for rape and kidnapping. I heard through the rumor mill that the case was dismissed, but I don't know for sure. I do know for sure he was fired and will never work in law enforcement again- soley based on the testimony of one person- and the crucifiction of the local media.

                    And my point being, Retired, was that although there are criminals out there with badges, they aren't going to do something as juvenile as wolf whistle as passing females in front of a police station. That's a far cry from rape.
                    You have no right to not be offended.-Neal Boortz

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Delta784
                      That's one cop, "loolie" makes it sound like an entire NYPD precinct is on constant Viagra overdose.
                      There are more examples of that, far too many to suit me. I just posted one.

                      But I agree with you that the entire precinct shouldn't be indicted for the actions of a few.
                      Retired

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Centurion44

                        And my point being, Retired, was that although there are criminals out there with badges, they aren't going to do something as juvenile as wolf whistle as passing females in front of a police station. That's a far cry from rape.
                        Of course it's a far cry from rape. But if some of them will go as far as rape, what makes you think they won't "wolf whistle"?
                        Retired

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Centurion44
                          I would have believed you up to the point where you said they were making lewd comments. In this day and age, that would simply be career suicide.

                          So, go sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
                          Nice reply, very professional. I know more than one officer who got canned for just this sort of thingn (the sexual remarks). It's not that common, but it certainly happens. It's definitely not so inconceivable that you need to go insulting someone in public over it.

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                          • #28
                            We all know 1 or 2 guys that have said something out of line. In this case we dont even know if it was something as sinister as "You look very nice tonight maam." As for following the lady as she walks through a dark neighborhood, absent more info, no crime in an officer making sure a lady reaches her distination. I'd like to hear more specific details before I indict the entire station.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Stan Switek
                              We all know 1 or 2 guys that have said something out of line. In this case we dont even know if it was something as sinister as "You look very nice tonight maam." As for following the lady as she walks through a dark neighborhood, absent more info, no crime in an officer making sure a lady reaches her distination. I'd like to hear more specific details before I indict the entire station.
                              I agree! More Details needed!

                              Now here is something to think about. About 1 out of 6 people suffer from mental illness. That includes the whole broad spectrum, from just have a mild case of "the blues" (not to be mistaken with blue fever) all the way to complete paranoid schizophrenia, so we should never never rush to judge without a lot more info first.

                              For example, no one has asked if this person is morbidly obesse. I had a neighbor once that used to complain everyday about the lewd comments and looks she'd get from men. She thought she was sexy and every guy world was eyeballing her for a shag. Nothing could have been further from the truth! She was easily 400lbs with rolls bulging out of everywhere. Guys were looking at praying that they weren't going to have to do CPR on her after she climbed up the stairs on the bus. (Chubby chasers asside, of course)

                              And if I walked by some where and didn't feel comfortable with real, or perceived stares I would take another route. It would be a lot less effort than taking names, writing complaints, and meeting with bosses.

                              There is this option, take a friend with you and see if he or she sees the same thing you do.

                              And for the none LEOs anwsering, and planning on a career in policing, you'll understand what I am taking about, after the first time you sit down with someone who walks in the office and tells you about the "black car" that keeps following them to work. And how the guy on the 16 floor purposely gets in the elevator everyday at the same time, time and time again, just to follow them.

                              People are messed up, and this is great place to post a made up story....
                              Last edited by cst.sb; 07-25-2005, 06:27 PM.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by jakflak
                                Nice reply, very professional. I know more than one officer who got canned for just this sort of thingn (the sexual remarks). It's not that common, but it certainly happens. It's definitely not so inconceivable that you need to go insulting someone in public over it.
                                First off, I don't know about your agency, but mine doesn't pay me to answer these forums. I do it on my own time, so I don't have to be professional. I speak my mind.

                                Your right, I'm sure it does happen, but in front of a police station with other officers around? Have you seen that happen? If so, I'd like to know where, and I wonder if they're hiring. Going back to Stan's analogy, that's like raping someone on your chief's desk.

                                I don't know, the whole original post smacked of BS, and I'm calling her on it.
                                You have no right to not be offended.-Neal Boortz

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