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  • #31
    Originally posted by ChesCopPodz
    They are arrested and brought before the magistrate who usually releases them when they do sign, however long it may take for them to sign.
    Yeah, I can see how it's makes sense to waits a uniformed officers time with taking a guy into custody and sitting with him because he did not sign a speeding ticket.

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    • #32
      IN NEW YORK, WE DON'T GET SIGNATURES FROM VIOLATORS..
      HERE IS YOUR TICKET, HERE IS HOW YOU ANSWER THE TICKET, YOUR LICENSE WILL BE SUSPENDED IF YOU FAIL TO ANSWER THE TICKET, DRIVE SAFE.

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      • #33
        Yeah, I can see how it's makes sense to waits a uniformed officers time with taking a guy into custody and sitting with him because he did not sign a speeding ticket
        Sorry if I wasn't clearer. We take them to the magistrate, and if they don't sign when he/she tells him or her to, they are transferred to the Sheriff's dept and taken to jail until they sign. Not my own personal policy, but law requires it. The only time we can put "arrested" in the signature line is if we are releasing someone on a summons for a misdemeanor. We can put "unable to sign" if the person was badly mangled in an accident or something, then leave their copy in their hospital room, other than that, they sign or we take them to jail, but hell no I'm not sitting with them and waiting till they decide to sign.

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        • #34
          MN is the same way no signing...federal tickets as well no signing...heres your tag follow the directions on the white piece fo paper.
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          • #35
            Very simple explain that by signing it shows no admission of guilt, just that you are receiving it in lieu of arrest so that you show up in court. If they say no, real simple you under arrest and put the cuffs on them. You be suprised how they want to change there mind but once the cuffs are on and under arrest Then it's a ride to the big house. Then all they do is go down to jail waste about 8 hours and 99% of them sign the ticket. Then they forfiet there license to get out which they simply could have done on the street by signing the ticket.
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            • #36
              Hello, and allow me to chime in on this. In Georgia it's sign or post bond. But if they have valid license on them I put the violators copy on the dash. I also remind them that if they don't appear or take care of the citation, they'll be suspended and arrested. It's not worth the trouble to arrest someone just because they're a pekkerhead. If they don't have their license with them, they post bond.

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              • #37
                For all officers, deputies and any law enforcement personal, who are out on the highways and roadways of any state in this country, and who are required to get a signature from anyone after a Motor Vehicle Law violation:

                ......you are needlessly burdened with a requirement that at the very least could cost you a serious waste of time....and at the most, could put you in harm's way for a potential disaster!

                I ask you this:

                What in God's name does someone's signature do, to validate the cause and reason for your original stop?

                History (and video tape) shows, that there are a very small percentage of people who can act out in the most violent and unpredictable ways when provoked in (even) the slighest manner.

                Why put an officer in a postion of asking a person who is already very upset, for something that is not even needed inorder to process this infraction?

                I do not get this.

                Dan

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                • #38
                  I've never really understood this either. Excuse me for being misanthropic, but the majority of people out there are stupid. When signing a ticket, no matter how much you explain it to them that they are only acknowledging reciept and not guilt, I'm sure a lot of people still think they are claiming they are guilty by signing, once again despite numerous attempts to advise them otherwise.

                  Correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason certain states make subjects sign a ticket is so they can't use the "I didn't get that ticket" defense. I think an officer's word should be good enough. How often do officers pull over imaginary cars, think up of imaginary license plates and an imaginary description of the vehicle's operator, and then write a ticket for an imaginary offence? OR even if it was a real car with a real offence, how many officers would simply write up the ticket and not hand it to the subject?
                  I'll believe that when me $hit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbert.

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                  • #39
                    It sure is interesting to hear how differently things are done across the country. Here in California, the "ticket recipient" signs the ticket or he goes to jail. Period.

                    It makes sense if you think about it. By signing the ticket, he is merely promising to appear in court to answer for the violation. Consequently, by refusing to sign the ticket, he is effectively saying that he does not intend to appear in court. So taking him to jail is really the only logical alternative.

                    Just out of curiosity, for the jurisdictions out there that do not require a signature on traffic cites, do you require a signature on misdemeanor non-traffic cites? For instance, we cite & release for misdemeanor crimes such as shoplifting, prostitution, loitering, trespassing, assault and battery, etc. Do you have to get a signature on those type of cites? If not, that's cool for you. If yes, why on those and not the traffic cites? Seems like the reason for getting a signature would be the same.

                    Just curious. Thanks.
                    "Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you do criticize him, you'll be a mile away and you'll have his shoes."

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                    • #40
                      Chase

                      No signatures!

                      It makes sense if you think about it. By signing the ticket, he is merely promising to appear in court to answer for the violation.
                      Why should the citing officer/deputy need to even expose him/herself to a requirement that may escalate the confrontation from nothing, to a potential major incident?

                      I do not care Chase, if the party shows up in court. Why do we need to make sure of that "certainity" at the outset?

                      Our goal is to cite the violator and move them along.

                      Can you imagine pulling over articulate, highly educated lawyer type operators, who want to get into a verbal dueling match with law enforcement officers on a dark road at 0200 hrs?

                      Why do we need to get into this conversation with already aggravated people who may decide to "discuss" this signature thing to the point of calling backup?

                      This signatue thing is an absuridty taken to new heights.

                      VSUmarco says it best:

                      I think an officer's word should be good enough. How often do officers pull over imaginary cars, think up of imaginary license plates and an imaginary description of the vehicle's operator, and then write a ticket for an imaginary offence?
                      In fact I would seriously condider leaving law enforcement if police officers were required to get a signature for traffic viloations.

                      Dan

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by DAN'LL
                        Chase

                        No signatures!



                        Why should the citing officer/deputy need to even expose him/herself to a requirement that may escalate the confrontation from nothing, to a potential major incident?

                        I do not care Chase, if the party shows up in court. Why do we need to make sure of that "certainity" at the outset?

                        Our goal is to cite the violator and move them along.

                        Can you imagine pulling over articulate, highly educated lawyer type operators, who want to get into a verbal dueling match with law enforcement officers on a dark road at 0200 hrs?

                        Why do we need to get into this conversation with already aggravated people who may decide to "discuss" this signature thing to the point of calling backup?

                        This signatue thing is an absuridty taken to new heights.

                        VSUmarco says it best:



                        In fact I would seriously condider leaving law enforcement if police officers were required to get a signature for traffic viloations.

                        Dan
                        I'm not advocating that getting a signature is better than not getting a signature. I don't have the option. It's a matter of policy and law where I work. As far as I'm concerned, it'd be easier for me NOT to get a signature. However, I'm so used to doing it that it's no big deal either way.
                        "Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you do criticize him, you'll be a mile away and you'll have his shoes."

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by BADPIG17
                          IN NEW YORK, WE DON'T GET SIGNATURES FROM VIOLATORS..
                          HERE IS YOUR TICKET, HERE IS HOW YOU ANSWER THE TICKET, YOUR LICENSE WILL BE SUSPENDED IF YOU FAIL TO ANSWER THE TICKET, DRIVE SAFE.
                          I hope you say "drive safely" instead of "drive safe."

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                          • #43
                            In Illinois, the only ones that sign for tickets are non-residents who live in certain states that fall under the Non Resident Violator Compact Jurisdictions. Otherwise, you have to post either your license, $75, or an accepted bond card as bond. If it's a misdemeanor traffic offense like a DUI, you have to sign an "I"-bond. If you don't, you sit until you can appear in bond court before a judge.

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                            • #44
                              You don't have to sign for the ticket in S. Carolina. However, if you refuse to accept it, it a violation of the NRVC and you can be arrested. Although, I've never had someone refuse to accept the ticket in 7+ years of civilian LE experience.

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                              • #45
                                At my PD, if they have a valid driver's license, we can just write "Valid CO DL" and release them. If there is no license, they sign or go to jail...Technically, you should jail everybody w/o a license or ID, but the city I work in is at about 55% Mexican Nationals, so there is no way to do that...

                                As far as misdemeanor criminal, signature is mandatory...Makes no sense to me, but, Hell, not a whole lot in the minds of administrators makes sense to me...
                                And lo, as I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
                                I shall ask myself,
                                "This is the f*cking Valley of the Shadow of Death! What the f*ck am I doing in the f*cking Valley of the Shadow of Death?!?!"

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