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  • #16
    Originally posted by sflcop
    If a driver refuses to sign the citation they WILL be placed under arrest and transported to jail. They will not be released from the jail until they post bond, sign the original citation, and sign the second citation for refusing to sign the original one.
    So what your saying is if sombody refuses to sign, they could spend the rest of their life in jail unless they sign it?

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    • #17
      Our Summary Offence Tickets (used for Provincial Statute offences such as the Highway Traffic Act, Alcohol and Gaming Regulation Act, Wildlife Act) do not require a signature by our "client". Some of these Acts do provide authority for the arrest of a "client" for found-committing, plus pursuant to a Bench Warrant for failing-to-pay-the-voluntary-fine-and/or-attending-Court. In the found-committing-arrest situation, again they can be released on an SOT without having to sign it. In the BW situation, investigators are ENCOURAGED to get the "client" to sign before they are released, but most often we just note, "Refused to Sign", initial it and hand the "client" their copy.

      For Federal Statute or Criminal Code offences the "client" SHOULD sign, then if they fail to do so we would hold them for remand before a Justice of the Peace, or a Judge.

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      • #18
        tell them "sign or jail"

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        • #19
          Here the signature is a promise that the violator will appear in court. They have to sign it to be released. If they don't sign it, thats fine, they are booked and get to see the next available judge. All just on the traffic infraction, no additional charges. If it's after court hours, they sit in jail unitl the next day court is in session (mon-fri 9-5). haha
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          • #20
            retired, it's funny that the beautiful surroundings and the cozy atmosphere of a station jail could induce people to change their minds

            archer, I'm guessing he/she'd be taken to court within a short period of time (maybe next court date) to hear that matter and the judge would probably give him time served on the original violation. But, that's just a guess on my part, never having heard of something like that happening. Then again, maybe it would be handled like contempt of court. Personally, I think they should spend about a week in jail, then go to court for the cite.

            Retired, are you aware of any incident like that occurring on the dept. and what happened to the a/h?

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            • #21
              Here a ticket is basically just a courtesy in lieu of being arrested. Signing the ticket is not an admission of guilt, but states that the offender promises to either take care of the ticket out of court or appear in court on the specified date. Usually when they don't sign, I advised them that the alternative is jail. 99% of the time they will then sign. If not I simply sign "Arrested" in the grey box and the rest is history.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by archer0830
                So what your saying is if sombody refuses to sign, they could spend the rest of their life in jail unless they sign it?
                Not in Texas. They would see a judge in the morning and the judge would make them post bond or sit out the fine if they plead guilty/no contest.

                As for the original question: here in TX it's sign or go to jail unless it's a speeding or open container ticket. If it's one of the latter two, we just write "refused" and witness it and toss the pink copy in the car. I have no idea why the legislature wrote the laws that way (then again this is the same state where, until 2003, you could drink in the vehicle and it was only a crime if a peace officer observed the DRIVER, not the passenger, consuming an alcoholic beverage). Not signing is the same as not posting bond and it is presumed they do not intend to answer the charge. At that point they get taken into custody and booked and their car gets impounded. Usually after you explain that to them, they ask for a pen.
                "A man's got to know his limitations" --Inspector Harry Callahan in Magnum Force

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                • #23
                  Doesn't sign ticket.

                  Signature on the citation is not an admission of guilt,merely a promise to appear or follow the instructions on the violator's copy. Should the subject refuse to sign the citation,which in essence is a release on his/her own recognizance,the officer may take the subject into custody,and book the subject untill he posts bond or appears in court. Add to that the impound and storage fees for the vehicle,and the cost for refusal to sign can add up rather quickly.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by tan/grn
                    retired, it's funny that the beautiful surroundings and the cozy atmosphere of a station jail could induce people to change their minds

                    archer, I'm guessing he/she'd be taken to court within a short period of time (maybe next court date) to hear that matter and the judge would probably give him time served on the original violation. But, that's just a guess on my part, never having heard of something like that happening. Then again, maybe it would be handled like contempt of court. Personally, I think they should spend about a week in jail, then go to court for the cite.

                    Retired, are you aware of any incident like that occurring on the dept. and what happened to the a/h?

                    I can't remember of a time when someone spent the entire weekend in jail for not signing the citation. If they totally refused to sign, then they stayed at the station until the morning court run, usually transported by the court deputy, and appeared then. I don't believe there is a punitive section in the CVC for not signing. Once they are in court, they of course don't need to sign.
                    Retired

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Dash
                      In Miami-dade county, when someone doesn't sign thier ticket, our TA has a saying..

                      09 39.

                      Prisoner transport. Don't wanna sign you're ticket? Obstruction.

                      dont you mean 05 reference 39?
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                      • #26
                        While there is a line for a person to sign a summons, I don't think I have ever asked a person to do it.

                        It's not required.

                        In my opinion asking someone to sign puts an officer in an unnecessary position to have a conflict with a person that had to that pint been compliant.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by kirch
                          We are not required to obtain a signature on any of our citations. There's not even a place to do so on the citation. Looks like our state is in the minority.
                          Oregon doesn't require a signature either, thankfully. It's one less hassle you have to deal with some jerk. In fact, there's no place on the citation for them to sign it even if they wanted to.
                          "Life's tough, it's tougher if you're stupid." John Wayne

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                          • #28
                            Maryland you go to jail! i never had to lock someone up for that they usually sign after they read that on the ticket!!!!
                            bj

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                            • #29
                              No signature required, here in Massachusetts.

                              We just hand it to you and tell you to, "Follow the instructions on the back, Sir/Ma'am....and here's the envelope that goes with it"!

                              SW4747

                              In my opinion asking someone to sign puts an officer in an unnecessary position to have a conflict with a person that had to that pint been compliant.
                              You got that right!

                              I can see absolutely zero benefit, to adding this extra weight on an officer's stop. What good does this do, anyway?

                              We gave it to you. The registry of motor vehicles and the court gets a copy. End of story.

                              Either pay it....show up for a hearing....or we'll hook you instead, next time we see you.

                              Dan

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                              • #30
                                They are arrested and brought before the magistrate who usually releases them when they do sign, however long it may take for them to sign.

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