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    Good morning,
    I am 21, currently serve in the United States Navy as a Hospitalman with a secret clearance granted to me roughly in mid-late 2011. I've been serving honorably since that same time frame. Since that is out the way, I wanted to talk to you. Ive been reading about 2.5 hours of posts regarding employment and the BI process.

    When I was 16 my mom told me to clean my room, I was watching TV and I threw a temper tantrum and threw the remote control on the floor. She then proceeded to start yelling at me and called the police department. Me, being scared, simply grabbed the house phone out of her hand and hung it up. The dispatch was able to redial and listen in on the argument. And proceeded to dispatch two units to my house. My mom suffered from a non-complictatory Iron Deficiency and had a 6mm by 3mm briuse on her 3rd digit on her right hand from where the phone pressed against. Since my mom didn't want to press charges, I think the deputy did (I KNOW MY MOTHER DID NOT PRESS CHARGES). I was booked, printed, and was given a court date to follow on my 17th birthdate where the record was sealed. I was charged with DV.

    Now I'm faced with an ultimatum of sorts. My service obligations end in May and I will be discharged with honorable conditions. I want to take my military experience and apply to my community since a lot of people in the past four years have been killed by drugs and drunk drivers. I have correction experience, working in a military brig infirmary and occasionally escorting detainees, etc. I will disclose the arrest record, seeing that paper will always leave a trail and that its dishonorable not to do so.

    I just wanted to hear y'alls input, advice, and wisdom on this subject; being special or not, I would not know.

    And thanks for your time,
    Best regards,
    Doc

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    The bad: It's only been 5 years since the incident and it's a domestic assault on your mother.

    The good: You were 16 years old at the time.

    Explain it as you did here. Prove you've grown and matured since (including miitary time). Accept responsibilty and don't minimize it. It probably won't be a life time DQ for you, obviously a black mark that will follow you forever though.

    You may need more time between your arrest and application. Only the PD you apply with will be able to give you the best advice.

    Good luck.

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    • #3
      Thanks buddy!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by docadams225 View Post
        Good morning,
        I am 21, currently serve in the United States Navy as a Hospitalman with a secret clearance granted to me roughly in mid-late 2011. I've been serving honorably since that same time frame. Since that is out the way, I wanted to talk to you. Ive been reading about 2.5 hours of posts regarding employment and the BI process.
        If you have been reading posts here on hiring for 2.5 hours you most likely found at least one that told you that a Secret, Top Secret or any other clearance with the military means absolutley NOTHING when it comes to law enforcement hiring .....Nothing, it is not considered at all. The requirements for a military clearance and background investigation clearance are no where close to the same.


        Originally posted by docadams225 View Post
        When I was 16 my mom told me to clean my room, I was watching TV and I threw a temper tantrum and threw the remote control on the floor. She then proceeded to start yelling at me and called the police department. Me, being scared, simply grabbed the house phone out of her hand and hung it up. The dispatch was able to redial and listen in on the argument. And proceeded to dispatch two units to my house. My mom suffered from a non-complictatory Iron Deficiency and had a 6mm by 3mm briuse on her 3rd digit on her right hand from where the phone pressed against. Since my mom didn't want to press charges, I think the deputy did (I KNOW MY MOTHER DID NOT PRESS CHARGES). I was booked, printed, and was given a court date to follow on my 17th birthdate where the record was sealed. I was charged with DV.

        Now I'm faced with an ultimatum of sorts. My service obligations end in May and I will be discharged with honorable conditions. I want to take my military experience and apply to my community since a lot of people in the past four years have been killed by drugs and drunk drivers. I have correction experience, working in a military brig infirmary and occasionally escorting detainees, etc. I will disclose the arrest record, seeing that paper will always leave a trail and that its dishonorable not to do so.

        I just wanted to hear y'alls input, advice, and wisdom on this subject; being special or not, I would not know.

        And thanks for your time,
        Best regards,
        Doc
        A domestic violence record will not bode well in attempting to get a law enforcement job. That is a black and white statement to a very gray situation.

        An allegation of Domestic Violence (whether dropped, probation, sealed, juvenile or any other disposition) will raise many flags for the hiring authority (chief, sheriff, director, or CEO) of a law enforcement agency. This will run a gambit of reasons starting with Brady Vs Maryland, the ability because of your past history to issue you a firearm, and the fear that your past will become your present in a stressful situation in the future.

        In reality you can pass the first and second reasons above (Brady and issuance of weapon) and still have problem with a boss wondering if someday, someone will stress you enough to be the next Ray Rice. They will also worry about what will happen even if you LEGALLY and PROPERLY use force in a work situation and attention is brought to you ( like NYPD officer Daniel Panatelo) and that prior incident is found and brought up by a shyster lawyer..

        Then again a boss might not even worry about it since you were a juvenile......................

        Finally I would probably think that this prior incident has made you a marginal candidate permanently. Not necessarily at a disqualification level but as a non select level
        Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

        My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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        • #5
          Thanks buddy!

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          • #6
            I sent you a PM

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            • #7
              In California, it is not considered domestic violence. Domestic violence is where there is a romantic (for want of a better word) relationship. Violence within a simple familial relationship does not fall within domestic violence laws.
              Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. - Ronald Reagan

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              • #8
                Originally posted by ateamer View Post
                In California, it is not considered domestic violence. Domestic violence is where there is a romantic (for want of a better word) relationship. Violence within a simple familial relationship does not fall within domestic violence laws.
                How do you know he didn't have the sex with his mom?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by michigan View Post
                  how do you know he didn't have the sex with his mom?
                  hahahaha

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ateamer View Post
                    In California, it is not considered domestic violence. Domestic violence is where there is a romantic (for want of a better word) relationship. Violence within a simple familial relationship does not fall within domestic violence laws.
                    In Iowa you just have to have a relationship with the person...............and live with the person at one time or another
                    Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

                    My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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                    • #11
                      I think you are probably a long shot at best. DV is something that is taken very seriously. In the right circumstances your age at the time might be taken into consideration and it might mitigate the situation somewhat. You are going to be facing competition from applicants who have clean records, so I would suggest that you seriously consider alternative employment. If will be a while, if ever, before you get the call.
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                      • #12
                        With a DV arrest on your record we probably wouldn't touch you even without a conviction.
                        "I am a Soldier. I fight where I'm told and I win where I fight." -- GEN George S. Patton, Jr.

                        "With a brother on my left and a sister on my right, we face…. We face what no one should face. We face, so no one else would face. We are in the face of Death." -- Holli Peet

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                        • #13
                          I wouldn't rule you out.. assuming things went down exactly as you say.

                          Domestic violence laws/policies are often written in such a way that leaves the officer almost no discretion. The intent is to protect victims, but let's face it.. sometimes you end up with a pretty ridiculous outcome. I once had to arrest a 16 year old for "assaulting" her twin sister. Two teenagers got into a little scuffle, and I have to take one to jail. Ridiculous waste of time for everyone involved. Maybe it was the same for you and your mom. All you can do is give it a shot.

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                          • #14
                            Here it would just be classified as an assault. .. not domestic
                            The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheepdog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed.

                            I Am the Sheepdog.


                            "And maybe just remind the few, if ill of us they speak,
                            that we are all that stands between
                            the monsters and the weak." - Michael Marks


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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by ateamer View Post
                              In California, it is not considered domestic violence. Domestic violence is where there is a romantic (for want of a better word) relationship. Violence within a simple familial relationship does not fall within domestic violence laws.
                              Originally posted by Iowa #1603 View Post
                              In Iowa you just have to have a relationship with the person...............and live with the person at one time or another
                              Man, I knew NY was liberal, but more liberal than CA!!?? DV is really strict around here and I have seen it stretch out to in-laws and other distant relationships.

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