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  • #16
    Our dispatch notifys us anyway if they have a CHL when running the 27. Normally its better to just say up front

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    • #17
      Originally posted by jdthor View Post
      Our dispatch notifys us anyway if they have a CHL when running the 27. Normally its better to just say up front
      The law in Iowa specifically forbids the linking of weapons permits with DL/Registration records. Texas honors my permit so you would never know that I was carrying
      Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

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      • #18
        We would know. you know how that spider sense is. same way officers normally can tell who each other are by their actions.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by jdthor View Post
          Our dispatch notifys us anyway if they have a CHL when running the 27.
          Ours does this now, but it only shows up for in-state permits.

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          • #20
            I've never encountered an armed CCW on the street, but I have stopped several on traffic stops. Most have been military or current/retired LEOs. If they tell me,I just ask where it is, tell them to keep hands away from it while during the contact, and sometimes I will inspect the weapon and the area it's in with my eyes, but I usually don't reach in and try to physically handle the weapon. If I spot the gun and they haven't told me, the stop usually goes in a different direction, especially if I spot it loosely about the vehicle (floorboard, seat, etc).
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            • #21
              You know the advise they give comedians starting out? Know your audience. The same applies with mentioning you are armed when its not required by law. Some areas are less gun friendly than others, and some cops are less gun friendly than others. You may find someone who feels compelled to disarm you and run the s/n on the gun, you may find someone who says "don't touch yours, I won't touch mine" and leaves it at that.

              The one exception is NEVER SURPRISE ME WITH IT. If you are keeping it in your glovebox and open the glovebox to reach for your registration, what it looks like to me is you are reaching for a gun. You will now have my undivided attention and will likely be at gunpoint while we get that sorted out. The best answer is...don't keep it with your required paperwork. If you ignore the best answer, say you've got a gun in their with your paperwork and ASK what I want you to do.
              I miss you, Dave.
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              • #22
                I usually use the "don't show me yours and I won't show you mine..." routine. The law-abiding CCW contact with a firearm is my least concern. I usually strike up a conversation with them about firearms.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by TheTick
                  Just food for thought... what's your legal authority to do this? What if they don't comply?

                  I posed this exact question to our Attorney because I saw some guys securing guns from people LEGALLY CARRYING when the weapon has nothing to do with the contact. This included vehicle stops for VEHICLE CODE violations where the driver is armed. We discussed it and they kept saying "Officer Safety", which we already know isn't a legal reason for a Pat Down in a Terry Stop, let alone actually taking their property albeit temporarily. The answer is that at least on the Federal Level and the PA State Level, there is no legal right to secure the firearm if it is not part of the reason for the detention. Things may be different on the state level in Arizona, but I doubt it.
                  Our department issued a general order a year or so ago to NOT take firearms from permit holders absent some reason that can be articulated. The old "I don't know you" doesn't fly here.
                  I miss you, Dave.
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                  • #24
                    For TheTick, since you asked a question about Az.
                    We no longer require ccw permits, anyone who can legaly carry in this state can legally carry concealed. If an officer has a reason to stop you and asks if you're carrying a weapon you must disclose the fact that you're carrying. Further, state law allows us to take possession of the weapon for the duration of the stop.

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                    • #25
                      As far as I know, it hasn't been challenged. I've been a cop for 7 years and the law allowing us to take a weapon on a stop has been there at least that long. When I first started, you had to have a ccw, but that changed a few years back. When that changed, they tacked on the misdemeanor for not admitting to having a weapon when asked.
                      The only challenge I can think of is a superior court ruling we had recently. Officers made consentual contact with a prohibited possessor and ask permission to search him. He grants permission and they find a gun. The conviction was appealed and the court found that the stop was no longer consentual, so charges were dropped. I'm sure I'm mising some details, but that was what I could remember.
                      I make a lot of stops, working both the nice a not so nice parts of town and I've never had any trouble really. I think I only had one time where a guy asked if it was necessary, so I simply explained that the law was on the books and he allowed me to take the weapon.

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