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  • Che
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    Originally posted by Iowa #1603 View Post
    In Los Angles you might get away with that ---------------not in Ferguson 10,000 officers as opposed to 56 officers
    Iowa, that is a great point. Me, I'll stand my ground. Others may move. When I had a shooting in my driveway, my ex-wife filed for divorce the next day. She did not sign up to be a bullet magnet and we was headed to divorce court anyways.

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  • PhilipCal
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    Here's taking a stand for ya, There's not an incorrect statement in this thread. This is why I respect you guys the way I do. OIS is a pretty individual thing, and different officers involved have different needs. This is what so many self appointed experts and critics of both Law Enforcement, and the Military fail to understand.

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  • Iowa #1603
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    Originally posted by Che View Post
    It depends on the indiviual. I am a sheepdog 100%. I was shot at by African-American gangmembers and a week later by Hispanic gangmembers. The Chief transfer me to the other side of town because I was becoming a bullet magnet. But I love law enforcement.

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    In Los Angles you might get away with that ---------------not in Ferguson 10,000 officers as opposed to 56 officers

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  • Che
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    Originally posted by Long Relief View Post
    This is a hypothetical question of course.

    In this case, would you just go back to work for Ferguson, or would you move on? I am not a cop, but my feeling would be that Ferguson is just too "hot" and that with it's mob mentality, it would not be safe to go back to work there.
    It depends on the indiviual. I am a sheepdog 100%. I was shot at by African-American gangmembers and a week later by Hispanic gangmembers. The Chief transfer me to the other side of town because I was becoming a bullet magnet. But I love law enforcement.

    OTOH, if you are not a sheepdog and you really are just a civil servant. Get another job with benefits two towns over with Water and Power.

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  • Che
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    Originally posted by tanksoldier View Post
    In my previous life I've probably shot and killed more people than that just by myself. Why is it different if a Soldier shoots somebody vs a peace officer?

    A peace officer shoots somebody, and there's counseling and administrative time off and psych evaluations... a Soldier shoots somebody, somebody else and a third person and their reward is to go back out on patrol the next day, to do it again.
    You got a good point. Suicide rates in the military is ridiculous. PTSD is serious business.

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  • Che
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    Originally posted by ateamer View Post
    During my career, albeit this is from a limited sample of one county, there have been 40 officer-involved shootings. Not a single officer resigned, not within a year nor at any point. None of the officers I know from other areas who have shot people resigned.

    I wish people would stop trying to convince officers that using their weapons is a devastating experience that will leave them ****ed in the head. All that will do is make them hesitate without any reason other than they've been told they'll crack up, and that delay could get them killed.
    What LAPD has 200 OIS and 50 result in death annually. Now some people need counseling and others need a lot of counseling. It is not 1964 where you can give an officer a bottle of Jack Daniels and tell them we see you on Monday. I have seen too many cases of suicide and I think taking another person's life has something to do with it besides the many other reasons we hear.

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  • hemicop
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    The difference is the job itself. While military does have rules of engagement, I don't believe they're as restrictive as civilian LE. In helping train military veteran rookies, the one thing they seem to need reminding of, is that their job is apprehension, not eliminating a threat. Certainly not to take anything away from our veterans, civilian LE puts tighter restrictions on them along with the environment that simply doesn't encourage or reward shooting people. The time off & evals. you mention are mandatory nowadays, not elective so it's not like all cops feel a "need" to see a psych.

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  • tanksoldier
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    I wish people would stop trying to convince officers that using their weapons is a devastating experience that will leave them ****ed in the head
    How many sought or received help after their shooting and how long were they on when they were involved in the shooting?
    there have been 40 officer-involved shootings.
    In my previous life I've probably shot and killed more people than that just by myself. Why is it different if a Soldier shoots somebody vs a peace officer?

    A peace officer shoots somebody, and there's counseling and administrative time off and psych evaluations... a Soldier shoots somebody, somebody else and a third person and their reward is to go back out on patrol the next day, to do it again.

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  • hemicop
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    That stat I mentioned was from an FBI report. While LEOs in some agencies may not resign, perhaps according to a newer report, my questions then are: Why? How many sought or received help after their shooting and how long were they on when they were involved in the shooting? Things are a bit different now as I believe a lot of LEOs now have military experience, just like after VietNam so that may account for the change in statistics. IMO, with the way things are going now, you'll see a lot more assaults on LEOs than any desrease as some claim is happening....

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  • Iowa #1603
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    Originally posted by just joe View Post
    While my sample is not as large as yours, the folks I am aware of from various agencies who have been involved in shootings have all stayed on and retired and/or are still working years later.
    Me too...............

    I know one who resigned----but is now the Chaplain for the department he used to be a cop for.

    He also had a couple other incidents that helped him make a decision to leave the profession

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  • just joe
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    Originally posted by ateamer View Post
    During my career, albeit this is from a limited sample of one county, there have been 40 officer-involved shootings. Not a single officer resigned, not within a year nor at any point. None of the officers I know from other areas who have shot people resigned.

    I wish people would stop trying to convince officers that using their weapons is a devastating experience that will leave them ****ed in the head. All that will do is make them hesitate without any reason other than they've been told they'll crack up, and that delay could get them killed.
    While my sample is not as large as yours, the folks I am aware of from various agencies who have been involved in shootings have all stayed on and retired and/or are still working years later.

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  • ateamer
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    Would you go back?

    Originally posted by hemicop View Post
    IIRC, most LEOs resign within a year of a shooting. That said, I think L-1 has the best answer & sound reasoning as it simply isn't worth Wilson's life to remain in LE in Ferguson when he can get another job somewhere else. BTW, last I heard he was thinking of resigning no matter what the outcome. Can't blame him, really, as he's been treated like c$%p during this whole thing........
    During my career, albeit this is from a limited sample of one county, there have been 40 officer-involved shootings. Not a single officer resigned, not within a year nor at any point. None of the officers I know from other areas who have shot people resigned.

    I wish people would stop trying to convince officers that using their weapons is a devastating experience that will leave them ****ed in the head. All that will do is make them hesitate without any reason other than they've been told they'll crack up, and that delay could get them killed.

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  • just joe
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    Originally posted by AvalancheZ71 View Post
    Someone would cash in one snuffing Wilson just to put it up on Facebook if he were to return to LE.
    Probably by a 15 year old kid who will do six years.

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  • tanksoldier
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    Can't blame him, really, as he's been treated like c$%p during this whole thing........
    Wonder how this is affecting other officers in the area... wonder if any will die because they hesitate.

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  • hemicop
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    IIRC, most LEOs resign within a year of a shooting. That said, I think L-1 has the best answer & sound reasoning as it simply isn't worth Wilson's life to remain in LE in Ferguson when he can get another job somewhere else. BTW, last I heard he was thinking of resigning no matter what the outcome. Can't blame him, really, as he's been treated like c$%p during this whole thing........

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