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  • Shot Caller inside jail.... Can I charge him? Drop out gangs

    Hello,

    I have a few questions about gangs in jail. I am a Correctional Deputy in California. During these past few months, I noticed a big problem with drop out gangs in my floor. I have a shot caller who is constantly giving assault orders to other inmates.

    During all my investigations, his name always pops up. He is a Northern Rider. He gives orders to his gang and New Flowers (Drop out gangs-both).

    I just have a year under my belt. I am tired of always getting the suspect just for a PC 242. I want to see if additional charges apply to the suspect? And if I could get the shot caller as well?

    Thanks for the help.

  • #2
    A couple of thoughts. First check with one of your supervisors to see if additional charges can be filed. (Agency Policy). Check the California Penal Code for the law on these situations.

    Ask your question(s) in the California section of the forums. I feel confident you'll receive some quick and informative replies.

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    • #3
      What can you prove?
      Today's Quote:

      "The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits."
      Albert Einstein

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mdrdep View Post
        What can you prove?
        Exactly-------------

        You can only charge what you can prove. Knowing what is going on is only 1/3 of the way to charging. Hearing it on the block is NOT proving it
        Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

        My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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        • #5
          Things like this, sorry to everyone else on the page so far, I question the wisdom of asking an internet forum with law enforcement, civilian, and anyone else who has a keyboard, able to read your question and information along with replies. I'll only reply so far as to say, talk to your supervisors immediately about it. At only over a year, how is this forum going to help you when we have no idea the situation or facts? Some things are best kept in law enforcement circles and agencies.

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          • #6
            Talk to your agency's gang unit. There is a lot more to it than just a simple 242. No sugarcoating here, you don't have the training to handle this investigation.
            Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. - Ronald Reagan

            I don't think It'll happen in the US because we don't trust our government. We are a country of skeptics, raised by skeptics, founded by skeptics. - Amaroq

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            • #7
              This is definitely a question for your supervisor, not an internet forum.
              "I am a Soldier. I fight where I'm told and I win where I fight." -- GEN George S. Patton, Jr.

              "With a brother on my left and a sister on my right, we face…. We face what no one should face. We face, so no one else would face. We are in the face of Death." -- Holli Peet

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              • #8
                You need to find out what your department policy and what your prosecutor's policy is, and go from there.
                I miss you, Dave.
                http://www.odmp.org/officer/20669-of...david-s.-moore

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                • #9
                  Another post about seeking a supervisors guidance. You're in a very complex area. Document and write up what you have and send it up for the specialists to review.

                  Get used to doing the initial work and sending things off. Sometimes it turns big, sometimes it fizzles out. Don't take it personal.

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                  • #10
                    Too much info put up. You might want to delete yur question content.
                    Now go home and get your shine box!

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                    • #11
                      Giving an assault order is a criminal act (in Washington State, it'd be called conspiracy to commit assault). With that being said, I'd seek the guidance of your agency's gang detectives for this investigation.
                      "Screw that. We can make bullets faster than they can make terrorists. Kill them all. Every last one." -Interceptor

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                      • #12
                        I appreciate all the information provide. I made it apparent about the problem having that particular inmate housed in my floor... but nothing changes. That's the reason why I was seeking information here.

                        The information has been provided by the victims and some really reliable CI's. I'll try to forward the information to the gang unit.

                        Thank you all again. I really appreciate the help.
                        Last edited by Expo13; 10-30-2014, 05:21 AM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Expo13 View Post
                          I made it apparent about the problem having that particular inmate housed in my floor... but nothing changes. That's the reason why I was seeking information here..
                          The bottom line is SOMETIMES there just isn't any better place to put them.

                          I ran an Ad Seg unit in a maximum security prison for a few years. We had Rival Gang members housed on the same tier ----sometimes in side by side cells. It was just the best way to manage the situation at the time. It was an interesting couple weeks with that experiment . We sometimes used diesel therapy, sometimes played round robin with troublemakers but in the end SOMEONE had to deal with them. It sounds like right now it is YOU.

                          i am not going to get into gang investigations or inmate management procedures on an open forum OR with an anonymous person on an open forum but I can assure you that your supervisors and administrators appreciate you sending them updates on the situation. Even if they make no obvious effort to make your life easier------they are if nothing else gathering intelligence about the shot caller.
                          Since some people need to be told by notes in crayon .......Don't PM me with without prior permission. If you can't discuss the situation in the open forum ----it must not be that important

                          My new word for the day is FOCUS, when someone irritates you tell them to FOCUS

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                          • #14
                            We hold lots of parole violators, many of whom are current or former gang members. With hundreds of gangs, and the rise of "drop out" gangs, and only six pods... one of which is designated female and the another special population and trustee workers... we simply can't separate out all the rival gangs. The best we can do is try to strike a balance of power in each pod.

                            Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
                            "I am a Soldier. I fight where I'm told and I win where I fight." -- GEN George S. Patton, Jr.

                            "With a brother on my left and a sister on my right, we face…. We face what no one should face. We face, so no one else would face. We are in the face of Death." -- Holli Peet

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                            • #15
                              I used to work in the jails for many years....is your classification not doing anything about this? You got the 242, but you can also add conspiracy (182) and gang enhancement (186.22(b)) if you got enough to prove a connection to the shot caller. Tear the building up, find kites, use informants, you can get enough information to charge those sections. However, in the jail I worked at, if we even suspected a shot caller was doing what you described he would be reclassified and moved to another building, ad-seg, something.

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