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    Hey everyone. A friend of mine (whose Military Police) asked me to confirm that the State of Florida's Department of Agriculture, Division of Licensing has, in fact, a CCW permit that identifies you as a Police Officer. Not the standard State issued one that identifies you as a resident or non-resident. But an actual one that says, Police in one for or another. I called the DoL office & spoke to a young lady who said she doesn't know anything about that. My question is, has anyone ever heard of this? My friend went to Tallahassee this past week and said a gentlemen there told him that it's true & that he may qualify for it as he is Active Military Police. Not that it matters much to sworn Police. My ID says Police & I'm sure other Cops wouldn't need a CCW since they have their Department issued Creds. but I'm completely at a loss & need some input from guys in the know.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Teslaus View Post
    Hey everyone. A friend of mine (whose Military Police) asked me to confirm that the State of Florida's Department of Agriculture, Division of Licensing has, in fact, a CCW permit that identifies you as a Police Officer.
    Never heard of it, but why doesn't he call them and ask.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Teslaus View Post
      I called the DoL office & spoke to a young lady who said she doesn't know anything about that. :
      Originally posted by exfed2002 View Post
      Never heard of it, but why doesn't he call them and ask.

      Sounds like the OP already called the source and they said there was no such thing..........

      The OP doesn't believe the agency so he/she asks here.

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      • #4
        For the most part, Military Police (US Army/USMC), Shore Patrol (USN/USCG), Security Specialists (USAF) do not qualify for CCW permits just because of their job titles. Their police powers extend to military installations only - unless assigned to an Armed Services Police Liaison Unit and then only to military personnel. They must make application within their specific locales for a CCW permit just as everyone else.

        To openly identify them, via an ID card, as "POLICE" would be misleading and inappropriate.

        Your "friend" is undoubtedly under the wrong impression of his duties and responsibilities.

        The LEOSA does not even apply to uniformed military law enforcement (MP/SP/AP) except some USCG personnel.
        Last edited by SgtCHP; 01-15-2012, 08:45 AM.
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        • #5
          A cop doesn't need a CCW, our badge is our CCW. I'm statutorily authorized to carry concealed, and my agency requires me to carry off duty whenever I'm out and about in my county. If I'm outside of the county, I can still carry concealed but I'm not covered as LE if I end up shooting someone. Your friend is not considered as LE anywhere in the state, so he would need to get a CCW. The CCW permit he would buy would be the same one my grandmother could buy. No special police creds involved.

          US Navy cops are Master at Arms, not shore patrol. I got out five years ago, but damn it, the term "shore patrol" still bugs me.
          Last edited by elchorizo; 01-15-2012, 10:42 AM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by elchorizo View Post
            A cop doesn't need a CCW, our badge is our CCW.
            Not to be too picky but your ID is your CCW not the badge.
            Badge+NO ID=Nothing.

            Now the general public likely does not know that, but I'm not about to take a badge at face value.
            http://www.collectors-badges.com/
            http://www.badgeswap.com/
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            • #7
              Originally posted by CACBAND View Post
              Not to be too picky but your ID is your CCW not the badge.
              Badge+NO ID=Nothing.

              Now the general public likely does not know that, but I'm not about to take a badge at face value.
              http://www.collectors-badges.com/
              http://www.badgeswap.com/
              I could go on.
              I get your point bit I never understand why people show fake badge sites but believe an id card couldn't be faked. I could go on my computer and printer out an id card and you would never know.
              For the cops out there: You are an adult. If you want to write someone, write them. If you don't want to write someone, then don't write them.

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              • #8
                It's been pretty well covered by my colleagues, but Military Police in general are NOT entitled to CCW status with the possible very narrow exceptions noted. With respect to the Florida Dept of Agriculture, I believe they have ( or had) personnel employed by them who have status as Peace Officers in the State of Florida. Possibly the ID issued to these Officers is what may have confused your friend.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by PhilipCal View Post
                  It's been pretty well covered by my colleagues, but Military Police in general are NOT entitled to CCW status with the possible very narrow exceptions noted. With respect to the Florida Dept of Agriculture, I believe they have ( or had) personnel employed by them who have status as Peace Officers in the State of Florida. Possibly the ID issued to these Officers is what may have confused your friend.
                  This is most likely the scenario.

                  The Dept of Ag does have sworn law enforcement officers who are issued a Dept of Ag ID which states "POLICE OFFICER" on them.

                  As far as I know, I have never seen a CCW which identifies one as a police officer.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by jeffIL View Post
                    I get your point bit I never understand why people show fake badge sites but believe an id card couldn't be faked. I could go on my computer and printer out an id card and you would never know.
                    Making a decent fake ID is harder (not saying it can't be done) but most posers don't go to that trouble. Most posers also know the general public will rarely request ID. Think about it, when was the last time (and how many times) has someone you stopped wanted to see your dept ID?
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by CACBAND View Post
                      Making a decent fake ID is harder (not saying it can't be done) but most posers don't go to that trouble. Most posers also know the general public will rarely request ID. Think about it, when was the last time (and how many times) has someone you stopped wanted to see your dept ID?
                      But you would have no idea what my department id looks like. I can print out a piece of paper saying "Jeff's police" and you would have no idea if its legit ir not. There are thousands of agencies with different id cards.
                      For the cops out there: You are an adult. If you want to write someone, write them. If you don't want to write someone, then don't write them.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by jeffIL View Post
                        But you would have no idea what my department id looks like. I can print out a piece of paper saying "Jeff's police" and you would have no idea if its legit ir not. There are thousands of agencies with different id cards.
                        Yes but anyone with a paper ID would get extra attention from me. (I know they exist and a lot of smaller depts issue them still, I know of at least one large dept that does).
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by jeffIL View Post
                          But you would have no idea what my department id looks like. I can print out a piece of paper saying "Jeff's police" and you would have no idea if its legit ir not. There are thousands of agencies with different id cards.
                          A quick call to the dispatch of "Jeff PD" would clear that one up, if it was suspicious enough to raise a flag. The combination of ID card plus badge does narrow it down enough to determine if the person holding them is a fake just by a phone call. The average whacker on the other hand probably wouldn't venture into even making an ID. And if he did, it's about as useful as a fake Driver's license.. All good and dandy until you attempt to verify it.


                          And I realize now we are hijacking this thread, so I yield the floor back to the OP's question
                          Last edited by SSD; 01-15-2012, 08:29 PM.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by elchorizo View Post
                            US Navy cops are Master at Arms, not shore patrol. I got out five years ago, but damn it, the term "shore patrol" still bugs me.
                            Note: When I served in the military (1959-1963) and during my service as a LEO (1963-1992) USN Military Police were known as SHORE PATROL. So, you must forgive an aging person for stating terms he is familiar with.
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                            • #15
                              I have a CCW in FL and it does not specify me as a any form of a sworn officer..
                              PT!!!! Who do you think you are joining? There are two groups of agents at FLETC. The ones pulling Gators down the road with instructors yelling at them are U.S. Marshals. The ones hanging out on the balcony drinking beer and laughing at the U.S. Marshals are us (and most of the other agencies).-jb74

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