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  • Off Duty Carry. . . Is This Normal

    I was looking through our department's SOPs and GOs last night. I ran across a bit of information that I thought was unusual. All officers (sworn or otherwise) must register their off duty carry gun with the department.

    The information to be registered shall include the make, model, serial number, caliber, barell length, and capacity. You must also have your weapon inspected by the armorer. The armorer will inspect the weapon for mechanial "fitness." They armorer will also inspect to ensure that the barell length, capacity, and caliber all meet minimum standards. After the armorer finishes the officer must fire both the day and low light qualification courses.

    If the carry gun's caliber differs from the officer's duty gun the armorer will supply a list of acceptable ammo in that caliber. If the caliber is the same as the officer's duty weapon he will be issued a set amount of ammo to carry in his weapon.

    Is that the way most department's handle off duty carry?
    W.W.S.D
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    Most, but not all agencies have such a policy. While I have only seen it applied to sworn staff who may be required to carry off-duty, such a policy is the general norm.

    This covers several bases: ensures the weapon is one on the approval list (prevents you from packing a junk firearm), ensures the weapon works, ensures you carry appropriate ammo, can shoot it and covers any other potential concerns.

    Some agencies even mandate manner of carry/holsters approved for use.
    Last edited by sgt jon; 05-23-2011, 07:37 AM.
    Originally posted by SSD
    It has long been the tradition on this forum and as well as professionally not to second guess or Monday morning QB the officer's who were actually on-scene and had to make the decision. That being said, I don't think that your discussion will go very far on this board.
    Originally posted by Iowa #1603
    And now you are arguing about not arguing..................

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    • #3
      Same with mine.

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      • #4
        Many departments require that you qualify with any weapons you are going to carry "on your badge".

        While the policy might be worded differently, that basically means the department will know what weapons you will be carrying, along with all the same information you listed. Some departments will only let you carry certain types and brands of weapons.
        Many departments want their weapons instructors /armorers to inspect the weapons to make sure you are not carrying a "Saturday Night Special"
        All of the above can be articulated by the department as "due to liability concerns"
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        • #5
          That is a CYA policy for your agency. Since you are able to CCW off-duty, they want to make certain you are no carrying something that will be controversial if you are involved in an OIS. For example: they would probably frown on your use of a MAC10 autopistol. Quite a common procedure.
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          • #6
            Yep. Nothing unusual.

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            • #7
              as stated pretty normal. Alot of departments mine included go as far as to tell you what you can carry off duty. The up side is that they service my off duty if I have any problems with it. Like has been said its just CYA so they can make sure the city knows what their officers carrying.

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              • #8
                Just to add to what the others have said, if you become involved in an off duty deadly force incident involving your firearm, more than likely you are going to claim you were doing so in your official capacity as a police officer.

                In most states, the law requires an employing government agency to provide its employees with legal representation in connection with any civil or criminal matters that arise out of the scope and course of their duties. Similarly, the employing agency is usually required to pay for most civil judgments that arise out of something an employee does during the course and scope of their duties.

                With this in mind, your department has enacted this policy to ensure you are armed with a weapon and ammunition they have researched, that you are qualified to use and that they feel comfortable defending the use of in a civil suit.
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                • #9
                  That's very similar to my department's policy.
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                  • #10
                    Same as the others; we also require a spent casing and bullet fired from your off duty/back-up weapon.
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                    • #11
                      Yeah, same with us. We also have an SOP that forbids us from carrying our duty weapon out of state, so we must carry our off duty.
                      Being a good street cop is like coming to work in a wet suit and peeing in your pants. It's a nice warm feeling, but you're the only one who knows anything has happened.

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                      • #12
                        Same with us. This is our policy that enables our dept and it's lawyers to assist if you have to use your firearm off duty. We also have to shoot our post course and qualify with the off duty weapon (they supply the ammo)
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MikeNice View Post
                          Is that the way most department's handle off duty carry?
                          Pretty much the same here. Almost verbatim in fact.

                          Originally posted by sgt jon View Post
                          Some agencies even mandate manner of carry/holsters approved for use.
                          We have a policy that forbids horizontal shoulder holsters. Everything else is pretty much fair game.
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                          • #14
                            No, most of that only applies to us in regards to a backup weapon carried on duty. None of it applies to us with off duty concealed carry weapons.

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                            • #15
                              Yup, pretty much. We are mandated certain calibers, plus an armorers inspection of our weapon and an annual day/night qualification course. We are also limited to two off-duty guns. We also have to supply our own ammo.

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