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    I am travelling right now and without much else to do in a hotel room, so I'll provide the following tidbit for the rest of you to dissect.

    I was detailing my car's interior (flood light, Armour-All, Shop-Vac, the whole nine yards) after dark (about 8 pm) a few weeks ago. It was a Sunday night. I do this every month. The car was in the driveway. It was boxed in by my family's other cars/the garage (i.e. impossible to steal without a giant crane-mounted magnet).

    Two police cars were cruising the neighborhood with their searchlights on, facing the houses on each side of the street. They passed me momentarily and then backed up, threw on the light bars, and an officer approached me. He asked for ID. I stated that my wallet was inside on the kitchen table.

    Another cruiser showed up. A total of six officers were now in my driveway. I politely explained that I was just cleaning my car. I had hoped to have gotten to it earlier, but time had gotten ahead of me, so I had the flood light.

    The officer made a big deal out of recent burglaries and how he just wanted to verify that I lived there. I understood, but said that I didn't have my license on me (I had my car/house keys in my pocket). I did produce a picture student ID with the same DOB/name as an antibiotic prescription in the car (which listed that address). This wasn't REAL ID Act compliant, but under the circumstances, I thought they'd understand. I had gone out to my car more concerned about having Sham-Wows than a license.

    To make a long story short, I was detained in my driveway for a half-hour. I offered to allow the officer to go into my kitchen to get my wallet. I offered to give him the phone number to call the house so he could hear it ring. I offered to go talk to any of the onlooking neighbors about my identity. One of his officers had responded to me being bitten by a stray dog on that property a few years back. He vouched for me living there. No good, according to the head officer.

    It got to the point where he told me, "Here's what we're gonna do. We're going to ring the doorbell, and if no one opens the door and IDs you, I'm arresting you for trespassing, breaking and entering into a vehicle at night, attempted motor vehicle theft, and giving false information to an officer." We rang the bell. No one answered.

    Then it got weirder. He told me that a bunch of teenage girls had been seen being let out of a car down the block. They were wanted for questioning in connection with the string of burglaries. I pointed out that I was both a male and 25. He asked me if I was the driver. I said, "I'll pop every hood in my driveway. All my engines are ice cold." Again, no takers.

    I was being polite and let this guy get progressively more out of line with me. He asked me "what are you going to tell the judge?" I just looked confused. I finally told him that he really needed to go find those kids. He once again threatened to arrest me for my "suspicious behavior." I offered to let him search my car and my house. No takers. Then he goes, "Why would I take consent from someone who's trespassing?"

    I turned to the other officers and said, "You'd better call dispatch and let them know that I have exactly five more minutes to spend with this man before I go back to cleaning my car." A neighbor stepped in and vouched for me. The cop told him to butt out. I pointed to my watch and said, "four minutes." The cop said, "This is still under investigation." Then they left.

    Am I just being an oversensitive civilian or was that possibly the least effective use of police time ever conceived? I understand that cops have a job to do, but I think he was over the line on a lot of points. I was on my property, minding my own business, and that happens. I wasn't pulling a Gates. I was very cooperative. I feel like writing a letter to the police chief. Is there anything here that stands out?

    P.S. I wasn't going to be rude, but bluffing about arresting someone and saying that they don't live in their own home was pretty good provocation for me to drop the Mr. Nice Guy courtesy. It honestly felt like this guy was just having a bad day and didn't want to admit that he'd called out all these people for nothing.

    P.P.S. It stinks to have to explain to 15 neighbors why a small squadron of police just detained you. It's the kind of thing that can ruin someone's reputation in a small town.

  • #2
    IF, and this is a big IF, it happened as you say. I'd say a telephone call to the station, and a conversation with the Patrol Supervisor or the officers Supervisor is in order. If you don't care enough to do that, then why post about it on here?

    In hindsight, you should have told him to go ahead and arrest you. You'd have owned the city after the civil suit.
    Originally posted by K40
    To me, open carry is the equivalent of the couple making out and groping each other at the food court in the mall. Yeah, they are probably legal, as long as they don't start getting undressed. But they are still social retards.
    ‎"You go for a man hard enough and fast enough, he don't have time to think about how many's with him; he thinks about himself, and how he might get clear of that wrath that's about to set down on him." - Rooster Cogburn

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    • #3
      Sure dude. sure.

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      “All men dream...... But not equally..
      Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find it is vanity;
      but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,
      for they act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible.....”

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      • #4
        Well you will never know what he was looking for or doing but there is always your interpretation and his. Personally I have come across similar situations like this which for me have lasted about 2 minutes so for a 30min investigation...not too sure, but like I said you prolly will never know what the actual basis was. If you feel that you were unjustly treated contact the station and speak to a supervisor, you always have that option. Dont know how big the dept. is but going to the chief may be a little farther than you need to go. It can generally be handle by a shift supervisor.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by PtlCop View Post
          IF, and this is a big IF, it happened as you say. I'd say a telephone call to the station, and a conversation with the Patrol Supervisor or the officers Supervisor is in order. If you don't care enough to do that, then why post about it on here?

          In hindsight, you should have told him to go ahead and arrest you. You'd have owned the city after the civil suit.
          I just wanted input. I haven't had time to make any calls over there.

          I probably wouldn't care except for the "this is still under investigation" comment at the end.

          I know you meant it in jest, but it would take a lot more for me to sue the police. A lot more.

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          • #6
            I agree with my colleague's advice. There is another side to this story which we haven't heard. In essence, you're asking us to second guess the actions of other Officers. We simply aren't going to do that. I will suggest two things to you. It certainly looks as if your Police Dept is attempting to protect the neighborhood. One of the more frequent complaints is that they don't. Secondly, if you feel that an Officer's conduct was inappropriate, you have the option of reporting that conduct to his agency. It's okay to come here and "vent" and regale us with your version of events, if that's what you want to do. Keep in mind though, that there's really nothing we can do for you.

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            • #7
              If it really happened like that, I would have been knocking someone on his ***. If. Hard to believe that any cop in this day would be so ignorant that he can't figure out in 30 seconds if you actually lived there.
              Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. - Ronald Reagan

              I don't think It'll happen in the US because we don't trust our government. We are a country of skeptics, raised by skeptics, founded by skeptics. - Amaroq

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              • #8
                Thanks for the responses. I do realize that there may have been something on his end that made him drag it out so long. I only saw what I saw, not what preceded it, etc. Maybe I matched a description of a suspect or something, who knows. The first part of the interaction made total sense to me but then, as I said, it just got weird.

                I do appreciate the police keeping a close watch on the neighborhood. They've been nothing but professionals except for this one guy. And even then, maybe he was just being "too professional." I don't like to second guess people doing their jobs. Just when someone comes onto your property and hassles you like that, it gives you second thoughts.

                I'll talk to a supervisor at the station. Don't want to make a huge deal about it, but want it documented in case that little comment at the end amounts to anything.

                Thanks again and be safe.

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                • #9
                  Ateamer,

                  So you going to just knock a cop down on his *** and that's totallly justified in your mind? Riiiight. Love to see that one go down. I'll take pics while they dogpile on you and play catch up.
                  Free Deke O'Mally!!!

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                  • #10
                    I would assume you fit a description or profile of someone who has been doing some burglaries in your area.
                    I think what inflamed the situation was your answers and comments. You don't need to tell the officers what they should do next. I'm sure your comments here are watered down from the way you really said to them so you probably came across as a wise ass.

                    In the future I would just be quiet and stick to answering questions.

                    Let me give you an example of something that happened to me.

                    We were in foot pursuit of a subject and I ran behind a house to cut him off. As I came around the back yard and another guy comes out with a beer in his hand an preceded to order me off his property because I was waking his wife up. I advised him that we're in pursuit of a subject and that he needs to go inside for his safety. He tells me the hell I am, this is my property and you don't tell me what to do.
                    I turned to him this time and ordered him to go inside his house or he will be arrested for obstructing an officer. He stepped toward me in a challenging posture so I arm locked him, put him on his wall, and cuffed him. In the process his beer spilled all over my shirt so that wasn't to cool.
                    Long story short he spent the night in jail and had a $800 fine.

                    Now if he were posting in this forum how do you think his version of the incident would sound?

                    This is why most won't comment because we only heard your version.
                    Due to the Juvenile bickering and annoying trolling committed by members of this forum I have started an igore list. If your name is listed below I can't see you.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by leesrt View Post
                      I would assume you fit a description or profile of someone who has been doing some burglaries in your area.
                      I think what inflamed the situation was your answers and comments. You don't need to tell the officers what they should do next. I'm sure your comments here are watered down from the way you really said to them so you probably came across as a wise ass.

                      In the future I would just be quiet and stick to answering questions.

                      Let me give you an example of something that happened to me.

                      We were in foot pursuit of a subject and I ran behind a house to cut him off. As I came around the back yard and another guy comes out with a beer in his hand an preceded to order me off his property because I was waking his wife up. I advised him that we're in pursuit of a subject and that he needs to go inside for his safety. He tells me the hell I am, this is my property and you don't tell me what to do.
                      I turned to him this time and ordered him to go inside his house or he will be arrested for obstructing an officer. He stepped toward me in a challenging posture so I arm locked him, put him on his wall, and cuffed him. In the process his beer spilled all over my shirt so that wasn't to cool.
                      Long story short he spent the night in jail and had a $800 fine.

                      Now if he were posting in this forum how do you think his version of the incident would sound?

                      This is why most won't comment because we only heard your version.
                      I'll admit that it was a mistake to try to tell anyone how to do their job. That, however, was at the end of the interaction.

                      I work in a bank and have to report any kind of arrest (we have ongoing background checks -- I'm late on a MasterCard bill and it's an issue). Any theft charges would make me DOA. So I felt the additional stress of my livelihood being threatened. Not an excuse, but that's not something you want to face for no reason.

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                      • #12
                        I agree with PTL COP and LEESRT.....
                        You should make a trip into the station and have a converstaion with the watch commander...the longer you delay it, the less credible you will be.
                        You were stopped and interviewed for a reason...as leesrt advised, it was probably because you fit a description..thats how cops catch people.
                        As Ptlcop advised, turn around and put your hands behind your back...get arrested for "tresspassing", (you usually need a victim for that...which would be you).
                        I would say he was bluffing to either save face somehow or trying to get you to talk about something he thought you had info on.....either way it lasted way too long and bluffs are BS..either do it or dont.

                        Make the trip and speak to someone and let them know that you were 1 pair of handcuffs away from suing the pants off and you should get a big "I'm sorry" from the dept.
                        Dont be a dik about it though...be concerned, but not rude...you will get so much farther.
                        Its situations and egos like this that kill OUR reputation and "good name", sounds like you did everything you could possibly do to be compliant and offer proof of your "innocence"........IF this story is the truth the whole truth and nothing but
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by District B 13 View Post
                          Ateamer,

                          So you going to just knock a cop down on his *** and that's totallly justified in your mind? Riiiight. Love to see that one go down. I'll take pics while they dogpile on you and play catch up.
                          IF it happened like the OP claims, IF, you bet I would. I'd take my lumps, too, as it would be sure to follow. Any officer who has been out of the academy for about five minutes would be able to figure out if the person in question actually lived there and if the car belonged to him.
                          Government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem. - Ronald Reagan

                          I don't think It'll happen in the US because we don't trust our government. We are a country of skeptics, raised by skeptics, founded by skeptics. - Amaroq

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                          • #14
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                            Last edited by Nobody; 12-01-2009, 12:00 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Thanks for the war story. leesrt. People just don't get it sometimes. They think we are 'inconveniencing' them (temporarily in most cases) simply for our pleasure when, in reality, we are getting the job done and keeping them safe in the process. Stay safe, bro!!
                              Last edited by epd21; 11-04-2009, 09:25 AM. Reason: didn't look right.

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