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  • 10-97UPD
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    Originally posted by CenTex View Post
    Title says it all.

    And, am I wasting my time if I choose to get a Certificate of Completion in CJ Studies (30 cr. hrs.) on top of an AS of Business? I hear differently, but it just seems like I should have coursework in the career I'm getting into...
    It depends on where you are applying for a job and what requirements you need to meet. Here in NY most agencies require 60 college credits period. Your civil service score is the ticket for an interview and your transcripts must show you have met the college requirements. You can have a degree/credits in basket weaving and get hired as long as you meet the college credit requirement. I have a Bachelors degree in business. I didnt plan on working in the LE feild when I was in college. I had the mentality that "money makes the world go round." That route didnt pan out and I lucked out and got in LE. I at least have a back up plan if my LE career ends.

    One word of advice...since you are already in school stay in school. I have friends who got the the requied credits for LE jobs, got hired and quit school. A couple are just credits shy of a degree and claim they will go back to finish school. They wont. Get it done and it is over with. Once you are out its hard to go back.

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  • MTAM
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    "It's not worthless. Do you even have a degree?"

    Yup and it's worthless other than what I have already stated. There are degrees of worthlessnees. Is it completly worthless? Well, probably not. Read between the lines. Was it worth the investment in time, money, stress etc. Nope, not too me. I'll be paying the schooling off for awhile and even if I get promoted with help of a degree the $$ is insignificant towards what I invested. Does it make me a better street cop. Nope. Still trying to figure out what is has done for me? If anyone asked me I would not recommend a degree to be a cop unless you want to be brass at some point. I don't, I like to sleep good at night. Of course at the VSP a degree in basket weaving is as good as any.

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  • ArkansasFan24
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    Yeah, business classes are boring. I went back for a second degree in accounting once and 2/3 through that I figured the heck with it. Hated it.

    OP, regardless of what courses you enroll in, your next 30 hours should be applicable towards a bachelor's degree. Even if you choose CJ you're better off with a BA or BS than an associate's and extra classes.

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  • wirefire2
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    Originally posted by MTAM View Post
    Agree. A CJ degree is about worthless except that with the VSP if you don't have a degree you don't get any points for promotion. It doesn't have to be a CJ degree. Any worthless degree will do. So maybe it's not completely worthless but probably not worth the time and effort to get for a small 10% raise.
    It's not worthless. Do you even have a degree?

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  • wirefire2
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    The cert is a good idea to go along with your business education.

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  • MTAM
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    Agree. A CJ degree is about worthless except that with the VSP if you don't have a degree you don't get any points for promotion. It doesn't have to be a CJ degree. Any worthless degree will do. So maybe it's not completely worthless but probably not worth the time and effort to get for a small 10% raise.

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  • kc12
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    The biggest problem with a CJ degree is it is a specialized degree, so it has limited transferability. It would be like a person with an astrophysics degree applying to be a high level manager at a national business. It really isn't applicable to any job outside of physics. If you like CJ take those courses. If in the mean time you find you like, psychology, sociology, math, or any of the other more generally applicable subjects, change to that major and keep CJ as a minor.

    All education is graded on a curve in the job market. Many CJ majors will get a minor in psych, or soc, so if you do the same you will not stand out. If you get your 4 year degree and have a minor in something else it will make you stand out a little bit more. It will also make you stand out to have a major in something other than psych, soc, or business. LE is a job that does not require a degree to do the job, so any degree with pretty much any major is a good degree.

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  • DAL
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    Originally posted by CenTex View Post
    My college also offers a Homeland Security/Emergency management Degree/Program/Certificate... would this have the same limited-marketability as CJ?
    There will probably be more jobs in that area, but I would say that the answer is no. I suggest that you look at federal job openings in those fields and see what bachelor's degrees they will accept, and get one of those. Pretty much any bachelor's degree will do for a job as a police officer.

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  • MPDCjock
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    Getting a degree in anything is better than not having a degree.

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  • CruiserClass
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    Originally posted by CenTex View Post
    CJ coursework actually piques my interest for a change.
    Which is what makes it a good major. Other than giving me a head start on case law, I can't think of a single thing that I learned in the University that I directly apply on the street. That said, if I wanted to do some statistical analysis, troll the open source intel briefs, or apply for grants, I'd have a heads up in that too. If you ever want to be an inside mouse, you may use more of what you learn.

    The homeland security/whatever just seems kind of trendy to me, but if its got interesting courses, go for it.

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  • CenTex
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    My college also offers a Homeland Security/Emergency management Degree/Program/Certificate... would this have the same limited-marketability as CJ?

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  • deputync
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    Yes and no...However, any degree can benifit you to some extent.

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  • PhilipCal
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    This seems to be just about our most frequently asked question. A CJ Degree is a degree. Earning it is evidence of hard work and study. The "problem" most of us on the forum have with a CJ Degree, is it's lack of real marketability. In other words, it's probably not as valuable/useful as a Business degree. I know you don't like them, and I'm merely making a point. If a CJ Degree is want you want,,,,great. It's certainly one you can build on as you continue your education.

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  • RenoR1
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    Currrently, my BA in CRJ is an expensive paperweight. However, despite the general consensus, I have had it come in handy one or twice. Thats about it. The extra 8% is tempting, too.

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  • SgtCHP
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    Some will answer yes; some will answer no. I will say that a degree, any degree, would be beneficial to you and your career advancement. The main issue is a CJ degree would really not help you if you find that LE is not for you and you apply for a job elsewhere.

    Bottom line is to get an education, choose your agency well and make the best career that you can in the time the Creator has allotted to you. Good luck!

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