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  • I am the "Ahole" of my class (Criminal Justice)

    Thats what they say...

    Well, I am majoring in criminal justice and my intention is to become a LEO someday.
    In my class it always seems like people are bitching about cops including my instructor. I totally understand we need to learn things the right way and there are many ignorant cops on the streets but in my class it is the extreme case.
    One dude talking about cop pulling him over without a probable cause and how he said to cop that where is your probably cause and you have no right to pull me over and how they talked to each other back and forth for 2,5 hours. Another one jumping and saying how cops shouldn't do that, how cops shouldn't use their taser. How officers pulled them over because they were going in and out of their lanes and how officer pulled them over for 5 over. Jesus christ, complains, complains and complains. And I always jump in and say, what is the point of dicking around with an officer on the side of the street? Also, we should be more respectful to them than anybody else since we want to be one of them and if they do something wrong, instead of fighting them on the side of the street, why not file a complaint, etc. I am now cops nuthugger and an ignorant ******* in my classroom.
    People do something wrong or not, they get in touch with LE and bitch about it and these people want to be a cop. Hey it is great to be a good person good cop and I will be a good one but getting that much hate towards officers from criminal justice students bugs the hell out of me. Maybe because i grew up with cops(father retired LEO), i look at the picture a lot different I guess....

    I totally understand the "police subculture" and "us versus them" words.
    Last edited by musclefan21; 11-02-2009, 12:01 PM.
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    CJ or AOJ teachers that are NOT retired or current coppers are bitter because they couldn't get hired for one reason or another....so they gripe, complain, and try to pass that along to their students.
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    • #3
      A lot of people teaching CJ don't know anything about it and a lot of people taking CJ think they know more than the cops.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by musclefan21 View Post
        Thats what they say...

        Well, I am majoring in criminal justice and my intention is to become a LEO someday.
        In my class it always seems like people are bitching about cops including my instructor. I totally understand we need to learn things the right way and there are many ignorant cops on the streets but in my class it is the extreme case.
        One dude talking about cop pulling him over without a probable cause and how he said to cop that where is your probably cause and you have no right to pull me over and how they talked to each other back and forth for 2,5 hours. Another one jumping and saying how cops shouldn't do that, how cops shouldn't use their taser. How officers pulled them over because they were going in and out of their lanes and how officer pulled them over for 5 over. Jesus christ, complains, complains and complains. And I always jump in and say, what is the point of dicking around with an officer on the side of the street? Also, we should be more respectful to them than anybody else since we want to be one of them and if they do something wrong, instead of fighting them on the side of the street, why not file a complaint, etc. I am now cops nuthugger and an ignorant ******* in my classroom.
        People do something wrong or not, they get in touch with LE and bitch about it and these people want to be a cop. Hey it is great to be a good person good cop and I will be a good one but getting that much hate towards officers from criminal justice students bugs the hell out of me. Maybe because i grew up with cops(father retired LEO), i look at the picture a lot different I guess....

        I totally understand the "police subculture" and "us versus them" words.

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        • #5
          Let them work a few shifts and see what we do, that might change their minds some.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by musclefan21 View Post
            Thats what they say...

            Well, I am majoring in criminal justice and my intention is to become a LEO someday.
            In my class it always seems like people are bitching about cops including my instructor. I totally understand we need to learn things the right way and there are many ignorant cops on the streets but in my class it is the extreme case.
            One dude talking about cop pulling him over without a probable cause and how he said to cop that where is your probably cause and you have no right to pull me over and how they talked to each other back and forth for 2,5 hours. Another one jumping and saying how cops shouldn't do that, how cops shouldn't use their taser. How officers pulled them over because they were going in and out of their lanes and how officer pulled them over for 5 over. Jesus christ, complains, complains and complains. And I always jump in and say, what is the point of dicking around with an officer on the side of the street? Also, we should be more respectful to them than anybody else since we want to be one of them and if they do something wrong, instead of fighting them on the side of the street, why not file a complaint, etc. I am now cops nuthugger and an ignorant ******* in my classroom.
            People do something wrong or not, they get in touch with LE and bitch about it and these people want to be a cop. Hey it is great to be a good person good cop and I will be a good one but getting that much hate towards officers from criminal justice students bugs the hell out of me. Maybe because i grew up with cops(father retired LEO), i look at the picture a lot different I guess....

            I totally understand the "police subculture" and "us versus them" words.

            ***Revised***

            At least, that is what the other student's in my class say...

            I am majoring in criminal justice and my intention is to become a LEO someday. In my class it always seems as if the students and the instructor are complaining about the actions of police officers. I understand that in class we are free to discuss the actions of officers without the spatial, temporal and environmental constraints that the officer on the street faces, and I thought that my fellow academics did as well. However, in this class I have the distinct impression that most of the students do not respect the average officer, nor do they understand the dynamics of most officer-citizen interactions.

            One gentleman was discussing how, in his opinion, a police officer pulled him over without probable cause. Through the Socratic method he shared with us the entire debate that he had with the police officer. Another student shared his concerns over the use of non-lethal intermediate weapons. Still another student complained about how he was held accountable for his traffic violations.

            The situation has almost risen to the point that I want to take Christ's name in vain. Almost, but I have too much class to do that, especially in a public forum and out of respect for the religious beliefs of my fellow posters. Anyways, I always attempt to come to the aid of the unknown officers, playing the Devil's Advocate on their behalf if you will. I have advised these malcontents that there are proper venues through which they can lodge a complaint if they believe that misconduct has occurred, but I am usually met with cries of derision.

            As I grew up in a family where many of the family member's made their living working for various law enforcement agencies, I understand that people sometimes have difficulty in understanding police officers beliefs and actions. I only hope that when I eventually become an officer that I will continue to uphold the fine traditions that my family members have passed on to me.
            *Fixed*

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            • #7
              Originally posted by BaldOldWhiteGuy View Post
              *Fixed*

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              +100!

              BOWG, we're going to change your font to red and set you loose on the forum to make the incomprehensible comprehensible. Go forth and edit!
              Magistrate: "Do you have any other pending charges?"
              Drunk: "Well there's this thing where the cops said I spit blood on them."
              Me: "Wait a minute, that was me!"
              Drunk: "Oh... now you like me even less."

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              • #8
                First, going to college for a CJ does not teach you about Law Enforcement. It teaches you how to get a degree in CJ, period.

                I know many CJ students that are fairly cool but a majority would rather experience the LE world through a book than in actual real life. In most cases I would prefer they keep it that way as well. The exception is LE that are taking CJ classes to get their degree.

                If I pull you over for a traffic violation there are few things that will guarantee you get the ticket. One is crying, the other is telling me your a CJ...
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by BaldOldWhiteGuy View Post
                  *Fixed*

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by FJDave View Post
                    CJ or AOJ teachers that are NOT retired or current coppers are bitter because they couldn't get hired for one reason or another....so they gripe, complain, and try to pass that along to their students.
                    Not necessarily. Most people who teach criminal justice never have had any desire to be a cop. Not only have they never desired to be a cop, they've always been anti-authority and anti-police. Three of my criminal justice professors from college are very renowned in the field, authoring numerous books. All are pround supporters of the ACLU and Amnesty International. Criminal justice professors (and college professors in general) as a whole have more of a defense attorney mentality than a police officer mentality.

                    Originally posted by just joe View Post
                    A lot of people teaching CJ don't know anything about it and a lot of people taking CJ think they know more than the cops.
                    Yeah, lots of people who take a class or two in criminal justice think they know more about the law than a lawyer. I've heard the "I know the law, I'm a criminal justice major" line a few times, and the person has never been right. Like they think that's going to intimidate us.

                    As to those who teach it not knowing anything about criminal justice, I think that's somewhat evident in much of the research that is done. Most of these professors attempt to put their liberal slant on everything, making the research and the findings all but unbiased. The problem is that these people live in the world of academia and just compile statistics and do studies. They almost never have any real world experience other than short internships or selective case studies. You can make an argument on paper that the death penalty doesn't work and isn't appropriate punishment, but try telling that to the parent of a child who was raped and murdered.

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                    • #11
                      simply put, college professors are all mostly liberal. you're spending your money for a piece of paper earned through listening to hours of senselesness and incomprehensible left wing garbage.

                      i went through it at University of Louisville and it was just as absurd as your above listed complaints.

                      muscle, good to see you here instead of svtp lol.

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                      • #12
                        Most CJ majors are there because they are afraid of math.

                        M-11
                        “All men dream...... But not equally..
                        Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find it is vanity;
                        but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,
                        for they act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible.....”

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                        • #13
                          I'm a College Professor. I teach CJ. I'm a retired LEO. I'm a Republican. I'm conservative. I'm a Vet. I don't allow students to run my class. I'm current on the law and application of it, CSI techniques, Security and Terrorism, Investigations, Forensics. I teach it all.

                          My students graduate with an overall comprehension of CJ and its related fields, the ability to write a basic police report, investigate a crime, interview suspects and witnesses, locate, process, and devolop evidence/fingerprints, write a warrant request, and function at a level that will assist them wherever they go.

                          Yep. AS in CJ. Right there. Well worth the time and effort, relative to all, and not a waste.

                          Stop bashing all CJ programs into what you may have experienced and don't lump everyone into the same group.
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                          • #14
                            Stop bashing all CJ programs into what you may have experienced and don't lump everyone into the same group.
                            If you are running a squared away program you are the exception to the rule. I have attended two different CJ programs in two states, and have had professional interaction with about six more.

                            The two I attended were run by Prof's who had never been cops. One was an accountant and the other was a morbidly obese former Security Guard.

                            The others were schools I served as a guest speaker for and their programs were underfunded, undermanned, and under the Physical Education department. CJ is not as sexy as business, education or teaching for that matter. The colleges spend their money elsewhere, while they put the bare minimum into CJ programs.

                            My students graduate with an overall comprehension of CJ and its related fields, the ability to write a basic police report, investigate a crime, interview suspects and witnesses, locate, process, and devolop evidence/fingerprints, write a warrant request, and function at a level that will assist them wherever they go.
                            Can your students be hired directly onto a police force after graduating your program, or do they have to attend an academy?

                            And yes, I will freely admit, I have an AS in CJ, and I was an amazing novelty to my classmates because I was also taking math classes that were not required for the CJ program.

                            M-11
                            “All men dream...... But not equally..
                            Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds wake in the day to find it is vanity;
                            but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men,
                            for they act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible.....”

                            TE Lawrence

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                            • #15
                              You should probably find a school where people who are actually in the field teaching the courses. You'd learn a lot more and probably enjoy the class.

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