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  • No Knock Warrants...what do you think?

    Greetings,

    I live in NJ and just read about a SWAT raid in Lakewood, NJ, that, sorry to say, didn't go all that great for the SWAT team. As follows....

    http://www.southernledger.com/4_poli...shot_in_NJ,_US

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    4 police officers shot in NJ, US

    Published: Sep 24, 2009 09:48:17 UTC

    LAKEWOOD, N.J. (AP) — Authorities say four Lakewood Police officers were shot executing a search warrant in New Jersey, and two of them have been taken to an area hospital.

    Deputy Chief Michael Mohel (mohl) says an officer struck in the face and another shot in the foot were taken to a hospital. Two other officers sustained minor Injuries when they were shot in their bulletproof vests.

    Mohel says the members of the tactical unit were serving a no-knock narcotics and weapons warrant around 2:25 a.m. Thursday when Jamie Gonzalez opened fire.

    Mohel says Gonzalez was taken to a hospital with multiple gunshot wounds.

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090924/...rrant_shooting

    4 SWAT team officers shot in raid on NJ shore home

    By WAYNE PARRY, Associated Press Writer Wayne Parry, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 8 mins ago

    LAKEWOOD, N.J. – A gunman opened fire early Thursday on a SWAT team that burst into a home during a drug and gun raid, wounding four officers while spraying bullets from atop a staircase, authorities said. One officer was critically wounded.

    Lakewood Patrolman Jonathan Wilson was shot in the face during the raid, and was in critical but stable condition at a local hospital. Authorities said they were optimistic he would survive despite being grievously wounded.

    "He is in good spirits, and he's communicating," said Ocean County Prosecutor Marlene Lynch Ford.

    Authorities said Wilson is in danger of losing an eye from the gunshot wound. Wilson is a six-year veteran of the force who is married with four children, including a newborn.

    Police Chief Robert Lawson said the officer was shot in the forehead. But because the bullet was fired at a downward angle, it did not penetrate his skull, instead exiting through the side of his face.

    Lt. Greg Meyer was shot in the foot, and was in good condition at the hospital following surgery for bone injuries.

    Two other Lakewood officers, Sgt. Louis Sasso and Patrolman Leonard Nieves Sr. were shot in their specially reinforced bulletproof vests, sustaining only minor injuries despite being struck in the chest. They were treated and released from the hospital.

    The suspect, Jamie Gonzalez, 39, was in critical condition after suffering numerous gunshot wounds as police returned fire, Ford said.

    He was charged with four counts of attempted murder, as well illegal weapons possession and receiving stolen property. The .357 Magnum used to shoot the officers was reported stolen from South Carolina, Ford said.

    Gonzalez was to be held on $2 million bail once released from the hospital.

    A second man who was inside the house when the shooting erupted also was in custody, but had not been charged as of mid-day Thursday. First Assistant Prosecutor Ronald DeLigny said it does not appear the second person was involved in the shooting, but may be implicated in the underlying guns and drugs case that brought the multi-agency task force to the house in the first place.

    At 2:25 a.m., the task force consisting of officers from the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, New Jersey State Police, the Ocean County Prosecutor's Office and Lakewood police executed a "no-knock" search warrant at the single family split-level home.

    They knocked down the door with a battering ram, entered a mid-level landing and were heading upstairs when Gonzalez opened fire on them from atop a staircase, striking the four officers, authorities said.

    Police returned fire and shot Gonzalez several times. It was not immediately clear how many shots were fired.

    Authorities were still searching the house Thursday for evidence in the shooting case, as well as the gun and drugs case. Ford would not say whether any drugs or additional weapons were found inside.

    She would not characterize the underlying drug and weapons case other than to say it was "big enough to attract the attention of the task force."

    Neighbors said they had noticed numerous cars pulling up to the house then quickly leaving after the occupants entered and left the house.

    "It's not the same world it used to be, people killing each other all the time," said neighbor Robin Kumar. "Police are here to protect us; why would you do such a thing?"

    The shooting comes more than two months after Jersey City police Det. Marc DiNardo was shot in the face storming an apartment where two armed robbery suspects were holed up. Four other officers were wounded in the gun battle and the suspects were killed.

    DiNardo was taken off life support and pronounced dead one day before his 38th birthday.

    Lakewood was once known as the resort in the pines for wealthy New Yorkers in the 1800s and early 1900s. The Rockefellers and Goulds built mansions there. The township has a large Orthodox Jewish population and has one of the largest yeshivas in the world, Beth Medrash Govoha.

    In recent decades, the population has become more mixed. Some sections of Lakewood have been plagued by troubles with drugs and gangs.

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    How do you, as LEO's feel about no knock warrants? Are they worthwhile, do you think they work? Would it be better to take the suspect on the street? Are there other options that wouldn't risk the safety of the officers to such a high degree? In the event of a SWAT team going to the wrong house, are there other options that wouldn't risk the safety of the occupants?

    I ask these questions since I keep multiple loaded firearms in my house, ready to go NOW, in the event of someone breaking into my home. I have no reason to think that a no knock warrant would be used on me/my home, but do live in a very mixed diversity town that has some gang related activity and what not. If someone came crashing into my home at 2:30 in the morning, I'd be grabbing a firearm and defending my household. How would I tell the good guys from the bad guys in an event like this? How would I not make a mistake and balance the defending myself/my household and not shooting police? I realize the chances of this are extremely slim, but ... hey, stuff happens. What is the recommended procedure in an instance such as this?

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    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/07/...ion/index.html
    Last edited by Nobody; 10-08-2009, 09:44 AM.

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    • #3
      Sometimes you got to chose between two evils. They are not asked for nor are they handed out because they are cool.

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      • #4
        Just because we are running a No Knock warrant doesn't mean we don't announce who we are and what our purpose is. You would know it was the Police at your house.
        Strong Body, Sharp Mind And Good Tactics!

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        • #5
          When you hear everyone yelling "police search warrant" thats when you should know its the good guys. No knock warrants do not mean that they just break the door down and go in silent. Also take notice to extremely huge letters POLICE on their person. No knock warrants are a necessary evil as everyone else has said, but there is still no reason one would not know it was the police comming in. When executing a no knock, its very loud and everyone in the home will know who is comming in.

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          • #6
            http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/07/...ion/index.html
            Last edited by Nobody; 10-08-2009, 09:44 AM.

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            • #7
              Maybe this is different in different places, but around here this is no such thing as a "No Knock Search Warrant". A search warrant is a search warrant, and whoever is serving it is the one that decides rather or not they will knock.

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              • #8
                Thanks for the responses. I think what threw me off in the above mentioned article, is that the suspect started shooting immediately upon the SWAT team entering the premises, without giving the police a chance to identify themselves.

                Again, thanks.
                Ken

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