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  • Originally posted by Bearcat357 View Post
    No offense....then why even have VA Police if the Med Director's won't let them do their jobs at most facilities....??

    Make the security guards and have them call the locals if something is afoot....or contract it out.....

    Just ridiculous to hire and train folks to do a job.....and not let them do it properly at most places.....

    Your last statement is a common misconception by VA cops. They are hired to do the exact job they are doing. They are hired to protect the vets and the property in a manner that is more involved and dedicated than what a security guard could provide. There is the need for arrest authority and the ability, when needed, to take action. A major medical center like L.A. or Portland, Or, or Chicago has billions of dollars worth of medical equipment, office equipment, vehicles, etc. The Portland VA has nuclear /radioactive items that could pose a huge problem if they were stolen or mishandled. There is just too much at risk. Also, for places like L.A., the 405 freeway, Wilshire BLVD, Santa Monica BLVD, and Sepulveda Blvd, all run through the property. People use the property as a by-pass to beat traffic. THis means that all the local dirt bags that surround the facility have access to the property with lots of tempting things to steal and people to victimize. UCLA has their baseball stadium on the property. Security is not equipped to handle that.

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    • Originally posted by Bottlecap View Post
      Your last statement is a common misconception by VA cops. They are hired to do the exact job they are doing. They are hired to protect the vets and the property in a manner that is more involved and dedicated than what a security guard could provide. There is the need for arrest authority and the ability, when needed, to take action. A major medical center like L.A. or Portland, Or, or Chicago has billions of dollars worth of medical equipment, office equipment, vehicles, etc. The Portland VA has nuclear /radioactive items that could pose a huge problem if they were stolen or mishandled. There is just too much at risk. Also, for places like L.A., the 405 freeway, Wilshire BLVD, Santa Monica BLVD, and Sepulveda Blvd, all run through the property. People use the property as a by-pass to beat traffic. THis means that all the local dirt bags that surround the facility have access to the property with lots of tempting things to steal and people to victimize. UCLA has their baseball stadium on the property. Security is not equipped to handle that.
      Bull....

      I know Hospital Security Officers in the Ghetto of KCMO that are allowed to do more than most VA Cops....

      It comes down to your crappy administers and Medical Directors that don't want you guys to be real Federal LEOs......

      The VA needs to kick the Medical Directors out of the equation....let the Chiefs run the outfit....and have the uniformed folks do their jobs....

      Until then, you guys are going to be treated like crap......end of story.....

      As for going to other places to get health care.... What kind of crack are you smoking? The ONLY reason I would use the VA is because I was uninsured and couldn't get by any other way. Folks aren't going to be thinking "Those VA Cops are asshats.....I'm going elsewhere..." Where the F are they going to go...????

      Do you not get that...? Most folks won't go to the VA unless it's a last resort......

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      • Originally posted by Bottlecap View Post
        Your last statement is a common misconception by VA cops. They are hired to do the exact job they are doing. They are hired to protect the vets and the property in a manner that is more involved and dedicated than what a security guard could provide. There is the need for arrest authority and the ability, when needed, to take action. A major medical center like L.A. or Portland, Or, or Chicago has billions of dollars worth of medical equipment, office equipment, vehicles, etc. The Portland VA has nuclear /radioactive items that could pose a huge problem if they were stolen or mishandled. There is just too much at risk. Also, for places like L.A., the 405 freeway, Wilshire BLVD, Santa Monica BLVD, and Sepulveda Blvd, all run through the property. People use the property as a by-pass to beat traffic. THis means that all the local dirt bags that surround the facility have access to the property with lots of tempting things to steal and people to victimize. UCLA has their baseball stadium on the property. Security is not equipped to handle that.
        I would discourage you from your statement on "they are hired to protect the vets..." when in reality VA cops are their to enforce/regulate the Veterans. I see VA cops esorting patients to their appt. because some "scared" lil doctor doesn't want to be left in the room with a WW II vet because last month they didn't get to their appt on time, so that DR. puts it in their file that they need an escort. Yes I know this happens. Which is BS, becasue the whole VA system in itself is failing VETS and failing fast. If you want to say the VA cops are their to protect the staff/interns, by all means. But who are you going to ticket first, staff or a Vet? Don't answer. As I see it everytime I go to a VA. VA police are pulling VETS over, not staff or visitors or people attempting to by-pass traffic.

        I agree that if you are not allowed to conduct your job as a LEO, then yes contract it out to Security, such as the New Orleans VA did after Katrina and it worked, even at their out patient clinics, security was put in place, no LEO's on site. If there was a problem, they called the locals.

        Sorry for my rant.
        "An excuse is worse and more terrible than a lie, for an excuse is a lie guarded."

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        • Yes but do you see this being conducted at a local hospital? They don't call in the locals or utilize security when you are a civilian go see a doctor. True, the VA has their fair share, however you say one cuss word to a VA doc and bam, you are all of a sudden getting escorted to an appt? I think the VA police can be utilized elsewhere as actual LEO's.
          "An excuse is worse and more terrible than a lie, for an excuse is a lie guarded."

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          • Originally posted by Bearcat357 View Post
            Bull....

            I know Hospital Security Officers in the Ghetto of KCMO that are allowed to do more than most VA Cops....

            It comes down to your crappy administers and Medical Directors that don't want you guys to be real Federal LEOs......

            The VA needs to kick the Medical Directors out of the equation....let the Chiefs run the outfit....and have the uniformed folks do their jobs....

            Until then, you guys are going to be treated like crap......end of story.....

            As for going to other places to get health care.... What kind of crack are you smoking? The ONLY reason I would use the VA is because I was uninsured and couldn't get by any other way. Folks aren't going to be thinking "Those VA Cops are asshats.....I'm going elsewhere..." Where the F are they going to go...????

            Do you not get that...? Most folks won't go to the VA unless it's a last resort......
            What do you mean "Bull?" I left the VA years ago but still remember exactly what the mission of the VA police was. It was and is exactly what I stated. You are right that the directors get far too much say, but you also have to remember that the people that are at the highest levels in Washington know nothing of police work and are medical personel. Nothing I have said is wrong or misleading. It varies from station to station but the gist is the same. It is like I said in the first place, if you are not happy at the VA, leave. I did and never looked back.

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            • Do VA police officers get paid on the LEO GS pay scale or the general pay scale ?

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              • GS pay scale. GS-5 step 10 in SF is only 47K, not 50K. I have yet to meet a GS-6/7 at many VA's for one and then those making over 100k. Add in the cost of living in most of the cities the VA is in, and it's near impossible to compete with cost of living, yet along area LE agencies. Problem is, if they move you to a step 10, you are stuck there.

                The VA GS pay scale sucks for VA police. Since they will never be on the LEO pay scale, they could at least put them in a special rate, as they do with DON/DOA police in some places.
                "An excuse is worse and more terrible than a lie, for an excuse is a lie guarded."

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                • I know Hospital Security Officers in the Ghetto of KCMO that are allowed to do more than most VA Cops....

                  It comes down to your crappy administers and Medical Directors that don't want you guys to be real Federal LEOs......

                  The VA needs to kick the Medical Directors out of the equation....let the Chiefs run the outfit....and have the uniformed folks do their jobs....
                  The problem is most VAMC directors are budget people not doctors or folks in LE. Its a truthfull statement that VA budgets are based upon patient loads. When I worked for the VA, we had a large budget not because we were thousands of acres but because we had several long term care facilities (IE psych/nursing home).

                  The VA GS pay scale sucks for VA police. Since they will never be on the LEO pay scale, they could at least put them in a special rate, as they do with DON/DOA police in some places.
                  Most facilities have a special pay rate HIGHER than that of the regular DA/DoN in most places (IE Great Lakes/North Chicago). Also it is possible for VA cops to make over 100k. I know a guy in Philly who is single and OT whore. I know for a fact he cleared almost TRIPLE his salary becasue of OT (he is a 7/step4).

                  Some VA police officers do get a Saturday premium pay because it was negotiated with AFGE in some places because Title 38 employees got it.
                  I don't answer recruitment messages....

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                  • Originally posted by ten08
                    The General Pay Schedule with some very neat twists, when I transfered from PA to California not only was the basic pay almost double but The place I worked also moved you to Step 10. So may pay basically tripled. Right now a GS-5/10 gets over $50K at San Francisco, Palo Alto or Martinez. Most of the Officers are GS 6 or GS 7. 20% OT and your over $100K.

                    The astronomical Cost of Living eats that right up but it's great for your retirement. Right now the best deal in the whole VA would probably be Martinez, the cost of housing has crashed there but I THINK they are still on the pay scale with the other two.
                    While OT is nice at the moment it does NOT count for retirement purposes, so no matter how much you makeonly your base salary counts.

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                    • Originally posted by ten08
                      In the San Francisco Bay Area $100K is fairly easy, Location pay is over 34%, and you go straight to step 10. Couple hundred hours of OT in a year will do it.
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                      Last edited by irishlad2nv; 02-01-2009, 03:55 PM.
                      "An excuse is worse and more terrible than a lie, for an excuse is a lie guarded."

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                      • Originally posted by ten08
                        In the San Francisco Bay Area $100K is fairly easy, Location pay is over 34%, and you go straight to step 10. Couple hundred hours of OT in a year will do it.
                        I'm not a math whiz by far, but say you do 300 hrs of overtime at time one?half, well thats close to 9K and 20% of overtime plus your salary, in all honesty is not much either. Now yes add in Night pay, holidays (all), yes you might make 100K, but that does nothing for your retirement. AUO and LEAP pay do help you in retirement. Base salary as ICE stated.

                        There are not that many VA's that allow "patrolman" to go above a GS-5. Most are GS5's. Some, 6/7. Per OPM standards/laws, regs,etc. You cannot just bump from a GS-5 to a 6, step 10 for simply completing a school. When you get hired, yes your steps, pay grade can be somewhat negotiated. After step 3 or 4, it take 2-3yrs to move up in steps. So it would take you as a GS-5, step 3, 15 plus yrs to get to a step 10. Either way, I doubt there are many patrolman VA police making over 100k.
                        Last edited by irishlad2nv; 02-01-2009, 03:52 PM.
                        "An excuse is worse and more terrible than a lie, for an excuse is a lie guarded."

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                        • I know I jumped in on the tail end of this, but i'm still trying to figure out how a GS 5/6 is earning as much as a GS-13 1811 with LEAP? Whoever the VA officer is, he/she must literally be working 24/7...

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                          • Originally posted by ten08
                            I averaged $88K ten years ago with OT as either a 6/10 or 7/8.
                            Whoa 10 yrs ago? The avg. GS 6 step 10 was maybe breaking 30k annually, so you must have worked 24/7! Amen to you...
                            "An excuse is worse and more terrible than a lie, for an excuse is a lie guarded."

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                            • Originally posted by irishlad2nv View Post
                              I'm not a math whiz by far, but say you do 300 hrs of overtime at time one?half, well thats close to 9K and 20% of overtime plus your salary, in all honesty is not much either. Now yes add in Night pay, holidays (all), yes you might make 100K, but that does nothing for your retirement. AUO and LEAP pay do help you in retirement. Base salary as ICE stated.

                              There are not that many VA's that allow "patrolman" to go above a GS-5. Most are GS5's. Some, 6/7. Per OPM standards/laws, regs,etc. You cannot just bump from a GS-5 to a 6, step 10 for simply completing a school. When you get hired, yes your steps, pay grade can be somewhat negotiated. After step 3 or 4, it take 2-3yrs to move up in steps. So it would take you as a GS-5, step 3, 15 plus yrs to get to a step 10. Either way, I doubt there are many patrolman VA police making over 100k.
                              I will say mine is one. We start at 6 step 1's
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                              • Does anyone know where I can find the actual PT standard by age for the VA?

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