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    • This forum is hilarious. It sounds like a classroom at LETC. I've been with the VA for about 5 years. I've been promoted twice and my annual salary is very competetive for the MAJOR CITY I work in. On average I would say most of the Officers pull between 60 and 85 a year. Depending on how much OT they work, bonus' they earn and other incentives we receive. The VA pushes for voluntary compliance and situational LE.

      Remember we work in a health care enviroment. We are not a stat driven agency or are we trying rid a neighborhood of some sort of criminal element. However, I am a very pro active Officer. Upon my promotions I have trained my Officers to be vigilant and proactive as well. I work in a concurrent jurisdiction where we prosecute thru the city, county or fed system. Depnding on if a AUSA or ADA take a case.

      I love Law enforcement, I was an MP and A City cop and Criminal Investigator after that. Than I moved here for COL purposes and found this job. I have a job enjoy and a clientlel I love to serve. I had plenty of runnin and gunnin, while working the streets and serving in Fallujah/Ramadi Iraq.

      The job depends on the VA you work at and your Chief. Our equipment here is top notch and we have the Directors support. The only and major draw back is the lack of LEO coverage. So like many others I'm pursing other agencies.

      In reference to off duty carry, HR 218 covers us. I have ABSOLUTELY no desire to carry the issued weapon off duty. I'm perfectly happy carrying my personal. To those interested in the VA Police, I say go for it. It is what you make of it. I have heard some nightmares at some VA's, but "at my VA" (LOL) the job is pretty good. Oh yeah as far as my fellow PO's I trust them all with my life (some more than others)> With that said even on the streets or in the Corps I didnt have full confidence in every one. If your looking for non-stop action this isn't the place for you. However it is a small jurisdiction agency, with an steady array of property crime calls, with an occasional violent disturbance......and depending on where your at, depends on how far your case will go in the CJ system. To those griping about the job, no one is forcing you to stay here. So either leave or suck it up

      Semper Fi.
      Last edited by nystomind; 03-22-2009, 03:56 AM. Reason: Spelling

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      • Originally posted by irishlad2nv View Post
        I would discourage you from your statement on "they are hired to protect the vets..." when in reality VA cops are their to enforce/regulate the Veterans. I see VA cops esorting patients to their appt. because some "scared" lil doctor doesn't want to be left in the room with a WW II vet because last month they didn't get to their appt on time, so that DR. puts it in their file that they need an escort. Yes I know this happens. Which is BS, becasue the whole VA system in itself is failing VETS and failing fast. If you want to say the VA cops are their to protect the staff/interns, by all means. But who are you going to ticket first, staff or a Vet? Don't answer. As I see it everytime I go to a VA. VA police are pulling VETS over, not staff or visitors or people attempting to by-pass traffic.
        My VA is different staff are given tickets, where vets are given warnings for the same violation

        I agree that if you are not allowed to conduct your job as a LEO, then yes contract it out to Security, such as the New Orleans VA did after Katrina and it worked, even at their out patient clinics, security was put in place, no LEO's on site. If there was a problem, they called the locals.

        Sorry for my rant.
        IGNORE LIST - Banastretarlton AKA "banana boy"

        "In the fields of observation chance favors only prepared mind"
        -----Louis Pasteur

        "Sweat in training saves blood on the battlefield."

        -------Col. David "Hack" Hackworth

        On my 7 year old 2nd Grade Class wall

        ------------YOU are RESPONSIBLE for YOUR OWN ACTIONS

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        • Originally posted by Bearcat357 View Post
          Bull....

          I know Hospital Security Officers in the Ghetto of KCMO that are allowed to do more than most VA Cops....

          It comes down to your crappy administers and Medical Directors that don't want you guys to be real Federal LEOs......

          The VA needs to kick the Medical Directors out of the equation....let the Chiefs run the outfit....and have the uniformed folks do their jobs....

          Until then, you guys are going to be treated like crap......end of story.....

          As for going to other places to get health care.... What kind of crack are you smoking? The ONLY reason I would use the VA is because I was uninsured and couldn't get by any other way. Folks aren't going to be thinking "Those VA Cops are asshats.....I'm going elsewhere..." Where the F are they going to go...????

          Do you not get that...? Most folks won't go to the VA unless it's a last resort......
          I agree and disagree. Yes Medical Center directors should be taken out of the equation. Tnhey have to much power to avoid tickets, and dole out punishment to police officers. I disagree (as some Chiefs) have never been a real cop before, just a retired military NCO.
          IGNORE LIST - Banastretarlton AKA "banana boy"

          "In the fields of observation chance favors only prepared mind"
          -----Louis Pasteur

          "Sweat in training saves blood on the battlefield."

          -------Col. David "Hack" Hackworth

          On my 7 year old 2nd Grade Class wall

          ------------YOU are RESPONSIBLE for YOUR OWN ACTIONS

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          • Originally posted by irishlad2nv View Post
            Yes but do you see this being conducted at a local hospital? They don't call in the locals or utilize security when you are a civilian go see a doctor. True, the VA has their fair share, however you say one cuss word to a VA doc and bam, you are all of a sudden getting escorted to an appt? I think the VA police can be utilized elsewhere as actual LEO's.
            Too much reporting writing for lost dentures at the VAs
            IGNORE LIST - Banastretarlton AKA "banana boy"

            "In the fields of observation chance favors only prepared mind"
            -----Louis Pasteur

            "Sweat in training saves blood on the battlefield."

            -------Col. David "Hack" Hackworth

            On my 7 year old 2nd Grade Class wall

            ------------YOU are RESPONSIBLE for YOUR OWN ACTIONS

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            • Originally posted by nystomind View Post
              This forum is hilarious. It sounds like a classroom at LETC. I've been with the VA for about 5 years. I've been promoted twice and my annual salary is very competetive for the MAJOR CITY I work in. On average I would say most of the Officers pull between 60 and 85 a year. Depending on how much OT they work, bonus' they earn and other incentives we receive. The VA pushes for voluntary compliance and situational LE.

              Remember we work in a health care enviroment. We are not a stat driven agency or are we trying rid a neighborhood of some sort of criminal element. However, I am a very pro active Officer. Upon my promotions I have trained my Officers to be vigilant and proactive as well. I work in a concurrent jurisdiction where we prosecute thru the city, county or fed system. Depnding on if a AUSA or ADA take a case.

              I love Law enforcement, I was an MP and A City cop and Criminal Investigator after that. Than I moved here for COL purposes and found this job. I have a job enjoy and a clientlel I love to serve. I had plenty of runnin and gunnin, while working the streets and serving in Fallujah/Ramadi Iraq.

              The job depends on the VA you work at and your Chief. Our equipment here is top notch and we have the Directors support. The only and major draw back is the lack of LEO coverage. So like many others I'm pursing other agencies.

              In reference to off duty carry, HR 218 covers us. I have ABSOLUTELY no desire to carry the issued weapon off duty. I'm perfectly happy carrying my personal. To those interested in the VA Police, I say go for it. It is what you make of it. I have heard some nightmares at some VA's, but "at my VA" (LOL) the job is pretty good. Oh yeah as far as my fellow PO's I trust them all with my life (some more than others)> With that said even on the streets or in the Corps I didnt have full confidence in every one. If your looking for non-stop action this isn't the place for you. However it is a small jurisdiction agency, with an steady array of property crime calls, with an occasional violent disturbance......and depending on where your at, depends on how far your case will go in the CJ system. To those griping about the job, no one is forcing you to stay here. So either leave or suck it up


              Do you not find it weird how the Gov. will determine we are LEO's for off duty carry, but not retirement
              Semper Fi.
              IGNORE LIST - Banastretarlton AKA "banana boy"

              "In the fields of observation chance favors only prepared mind"
              -----Louis Pasteur

              "Sweat in training saves blood on the battlefield."

              -------Col. David "Hack" Hackworth

              On my 7 year old 2nd Grade Class wall

              ------------YOU are RESPONSIBLE for YOUR OWN ACTIONS

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              • Interesting indeed!!!!!
                Your Gauging Intelligence From An Ignorant Scale

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                • The Truth About The Va Police

                  I was a VA Police Officer...unforunately. I'm so glad that I quit and finally got to do what I always wanted to do... real "Police work".

                  I don't want to speak badly about any agency / department becuase it's not fair to be stereotypical. However, I wish there was somebody there to help me be more informed about the VA Police job before I applied and accepted a job.

                  The VA that I worked in must have been problematic or seriously dysfunctional, but I just wish I knew what I was getting into before time. I now look back thinking I wasted my valuable time and effort trying to pretend I was something I was not.

                  The LETC Little Rock is not a recognizable police training course. I was given NO college credit or police related experience for the VA Police Little Rock Training. Nobody in the field even knows what "LETC" is, opposed to the real deal called FLETC. "LETC" was made up like everything else the VA Police has to offer. The VA appears "all dressed up and nowhere to go", but it sure looks good on paper. An illusion or facade.

                  I saw what was really going on, and I know the truth first hand. There were fellow officers who didn't know what they were doing, some who never made an arrest, some who couldn't complete a report, some who couldn't interact socially, and some who really shouldn't of been hired in the first place. It was very scary!!!

                  I got sick of the entire Mickey Mouse club mentality of don't do this or don't do that. I got so disgusted of the petty crimes that were being committed and overlooked. The involuntary commitments being administratively changed to voluntary because it was easier to do the paperwork. I saw a Veteran sitting in his vehicle right outside the emergency room struggling with health problems, the VA Police or any employees were NOT allowed to help this poor man because the VA policy. We were suppose to call an ambulance to transport him 20 feet through the front doors of the facility. How CRAZY is that!!! The filing of U.S.D.C. charges that the Fed. magisterial Judge dismissed every single time. The daily administrative decisions that were made for the VA Police which directly affected the officers duties. The micromanagement and the incompetence running wild!!! When I had contact with any of the outside cops at any level, you can tell they saw right through the VA Police nonsense, they'd just laugh.

                  I recently went back to a VA Hospital for something unrelated and I happened to see a few of the VA Police officers. I actually said hello and spoke to a couple of the officers working dayshift. I realized what I was dealing with right away. Compensating for their loss in the police field or to boost their overinflated egos, the VA Police talk a really good talk, they exaggerate and twist everything around so that it appears that they are more important than just secuity guards with guns. I know better now looking from the outside in with these people. It is so funny.

                  I walked around, I watched the VA Police to see what they were up to. I really suggest you speak to some of these folks first and determine for yourself if you'd want to work for or with any of them. The VA Police are certainly a different kind of group of guys and girls. Thank God I got out when I did, it seems like it got much worse in the last few years. I wouldn't work for the VA Police if they paid me.
                  Last edited by dogtear1; 02-27-2010, 08:46 AM.

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                  • Under 37 years old...like a monkey off my back... with oh so many still in the same boat just drifting and drifting in the VA Police... lol
                    Last edited by dogtear1; 02-27-2010, 09:00 AM.

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                    • dogtear,

                      I'm glad you left the VA Police too. We are not security guards with guns, we are police offficers. It is attitues like yours that continues to drag down the reputation of the VA Police.

                      VA Police have a very specific mission, we exist because the best people to police a medical center with the type of patients we have are guys and gals that have been in thier shoes. I would not want the local coming into the facility where I work to mediate a difference between a staff member and Vet with PTSD. A red patch guard would be even worse.

                      The LETC in Little Rock is a highly recognized school and is taking on the training of Dept. of the Army, Navy and Airforce Police. Enroll in the University of Arkansas and you'll get the college credits. I think you just needed to take one class online. Small investment if you really want it.

                      If I were you I would look into the mirror for the over inflated ego, you must be much better then any VA Police Officer. Just for the record, I have met just as many local cops who could use some extra training, there are dumbasses in every agency. Hell I bet you could even find some where you work.

                      I wish folks would get off of thier high horse and just accept that the VA Police are a unique agency that address a very specific need. No I dont run and gun in the street of the city, I am joining a local Auxillary to do that. I love my job at the VA though and will do my best to make the changes I can and work with what cannot or will not be changed.
                      Last edited by Gunhand; 02-27-2010, 10:16 AM.
                      My OODA Loop: Observe, Over-react, Destroy and Apologize.

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                      • Originally posted by Gunhand View Post
                        dogtear,

                        I'm glad you left the VA Police too. We are not security guards with guns, we are police offficers. It is attitues like yours that continues to drag down the reputation of the VA Police.

                        VA Police have a very specific mission, we exist because the best people to police a medical center with the type of patients we have are guys and gals that have been in thier shoes. I would not want the local coming into the facility where I work to mediate a difference between a staff member and Vet with PTSD. A red patch guard would be even worse.

                        The LETC in Little Rock is a highly recognized school and is taking on the training of Dept. of the Army, Navy and Airforce Police. Enroll in the University of Arkansas and you'll get the college credits. I think you just needed to take one class online. Small investment if you really want it.

                        If I were you I would look into the mirror for the over inflated ego, you must be much better then any VA Police Officer. Just for the record, I have met just as many local cops who could use some extra training, there are dumbasses in every agency. Hell I bet you could even find some where you work.

                        I wish folks would get off of thier high horse and just accept that the VA Police are a unique agency that address a very specific need. No I dont run and gun in the street of the city, I am joining a local Auxillary to do that. I love my job at the VA though and will do my best to make the changes I can and work with what cannot or will not be changed.
                        Only Air force 0083's will be going to LETC. But I agree. Working at a VA is different than being an police officer elsewhere.
                        I don't answer recruitment messages....

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                        • I think he posted this in every post about the VAP...
                          I don't answer recruitment messages....

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                          • Originally posted by VACOP1 View Post
                            I agree and disagree. Yes Medical Center directors should be taken out of the equation. Tnhey have to much power to avoid tickets, and dole out punishment to police officers. I disagree (as some Chiefs) have never been a real cop before, just a retired military NCO.
                            The whole Chief being a 0080 boggles my mind.....as a lot of folks can quailfy for that....... and a lot of those types of folks have no business running a LE Agency....

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                            • Originally posted by Bearcat357 View Post
                              The whole Chief being a 0080 boggles my mind.....as a lot of folks can quailfy for that....... and a lot of those types of folks have no business running a LE Agency....
                              The only reason chief's were regraded is so they can be higher graded. Prior to 9/11 most chief's at the 0083 series were only a 9, some an 11. There is a big push to at least regarde the VAP as a whole with patrolman being GS 5-7 (doing away with GS-04) and Chief's being 13's.
                              I don't answer recruitment messages....

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                              • Originally posted by orlandofed5-0 View Post
                                The only reason chief's were regraded is so they can be higher graded. Prior to 9/11 most chief's at the 0083 series were only a 9, some an 11. There is a big push to at least regarde the VAP as a whole with patrolman being GS 5-7 (doing away with GS-04) and Chief's being 13's.
                                I know why they did it (I have 3-4 buddies that are Chiefs) but they should have adjusted the requirements for those jobs.....or something......

                                A Retired MP SGM was a Chief at a very large Metro Hospital and got crapped canned from that job for the same reason he was ran out of the Army....

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