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    I'm a new deputy and I'm interested in doing some martial arts. Ideally, I'd like to do Krav Maga, but they don't have one near me. I thought about jiu jitsu, but I don't want a ton of ground fighting. I prefer standup. Strikes and throws. What are your thoughts on aikido or kenpo for police?

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    • #3
      There are a couple of things in play here. First, you need to be sure that any techniques you may use as far as defensive tactics must be within your agency policy. You may also want to research and get the numbers on the percentage of these scraps that actually go to the ground. Speak with your supervisor and ask what he or she would recommend.

      On paper, any technique that I use in the line of duty is something from the system that our agency approves (PPCT). In reality, I will use whatever technique available to save my arse. You have to be careful to be within the law, within policy AND use tactics that work well enough to gain the advantage; this is sometimes a crazy balance.

      “This life’s hard, but it’s harder if you’re stupid.”

      George V. Higgins--The Friends of Eddie Coyle

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      • #4
        I started Isshinryu karate about 2 months ago. I've been in LE for 13 years. I did a lot of research on martial arts and this seems to be the most practical I could find. Make sure that you consider use of force policies.

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        • #5
          I will preface this with the fact that I am NOT sworn. However, I do train with LEOs and can say that they would endorse my following sentiments. I believe it is absolutely imperative to train in some form of ground game. I mainly say this due to the fact that strikes are an inherent ability we all possess... You don't have to have trained in anything in order to hurt somebody with your fists or feet. Lucky punches DO happen and regardless of the size of the individual you are fighting with, even the most horrible form punch or kick can inflict serious damage if it finds the right mark.

          When a fight ends up on the ground, and they usually do, having at least SOME ground game will put you at a huge advantage over your opponent. There is no such thing as a lucky arm bar, triangle choke, etc. And worse yet, if you ever end up in a fight against somebody who trains as well, you very well could find yourself in a situation you cannot handle. So I would definitely recommend you reconsider the idea of Jiu Jitsu or Judo... Both are fantastic arts and do lend themselves to street (especially if you can find somewhere that trains No-Gi).

          With all of that said, I don't feel that it needs to be your primary form of training. Ultimately, a combination of strikes and ground work is what I believe would suit you best. I think any art, whether it is boxing, muay thai, jiu jits, judo, etc puts you leaps and bound over the average joe, assuming you actively train and spar.

          Sorry my post doesn't give you any insight regarding the two arts you inquired about, but its my .02 and hopefully you can take something useful away from it. Good luck, be safe, and congrats on becoming a Dep.

          **ETA, sorry I didn't notice this was for Sworn only when I posted. My apologies, I'll show myself out

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          • #6
            If you are looking for realism, you should get a few years of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu under your belt. The key to making an arrest is having control of the situation, mentally and physically. The moment you go to the ground, your striking will not serve you. You can't just strike the perp into submission. Well... you can, but at what cost? Knowing how to get into a dominant position on the ground, and transitioning seamlessly from a control position into a hand cuffing position is essential. It will save your life.

            Now, before you say "You said mentally, and physically. What does that have to do with mentally?" If you do not train grappling, and live situations that involve being on the ground, you are going to feel like a fish out of water. You will go into panic mode, and huge mistakes can and will be made. Life threatening mistakes.

            Wrestling, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu (With Judo takedowns), and a good MMA school (That has a BJJ Black Belt teaching) will serve you much better than training in any other Traditional Martial Art.

            If you haven't seen this video yet, I would say it's worth watching.

            https://youtu.be/HlpX1DwEB1k

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            • #7
              My suggestion would be to find out who your defensive tactics specialist in your department are. If you are like a lot of small departments you may not have one, which makes your task alot harder. You do not list where your located but the best training I have attended was Aikijujutsu that was taught by a retired Police officer. The training was all based around its usability and function in our careers. It is a bit expensive but my department is looking to host training by Gracie for Law enforcement tactics.

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              • #8
                Not a LEO but if you are in the Pittsburgh area I recommend training at Stout Training. But defiantly take up Jiu Jitsu preferably under someone who has received their black belt from the Gracie's.
                "A man can be beaten in two ways if he dies or if he gives up."
                "For those I love I will sacrifice."

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                • #9
                  Fmr LEO and current Defensive Tactics Instructor for both LE and EMS. As a 28 year Martial Arts veteran and in my opinion, I would strongly recommend you checking your depts use of force policy and approved techniques. I would also advice AGAINST getting in to Mixed Martial Arts for that typically does NOT work in real life conflicts. Any system of Martial Arts would do but you gotta be careful. As an officer you want a good balance of Self-Defense, Ground, and Control techniques. In my area we have a very small group of departments and I'm the only DT Instructor. I always recommend that Martial Arts may help with fitness, and some techniques, but nothing beats doing actual Defensive Tactics!! I would advise/not advise against doing Gracie Jiu-Jitsu and or any kind of MMA or Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu. Advise because learning the basics of ground control will help you survive an encounter, not advise because the ground is really the last place you wanna end up at. Again, MMA is NOT Martial Arts and will NOT help in actual conflicts. I would strongly recommend looking up Arrestling by Don Guella in WA State. This system is based off of LE Defensive Tactics and simply enhances DT training outside of the academy for those who don't have a DT Instructor at their department. Or any kind of LE DT Program offered by either a former or current officer will usually always suffice.

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