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    I have to qualify for gun training for my department and am curious to see what everyone's experience has been. I am pretty accurate with shooting in traditional stances but lack some experience with shooting with my weak hand. Did anyone's departments make you shoot so good with weak hand opposed to strong hand shooting. This is just a basic officer qualification test. Thanks

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    As for the training aspect, we do malfunction drills, weak hand and some tactical drills (some with cardio to induce stress). As for the actual qualifications, it is the state minimum standard. Have you spoken with your range officer, read your department SOP and course of fire? There you should find what will be expected of you for the training, as every department does things a little differently than others.

    I have worked and / or trained with several departments over the years and find there are a percentage of officers who look forward to range days and others who literally dread it.

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      Here is some information pertaining to firearms qualification standards



      §149-2-10. Annual In-Service Training Curriculum 10.2. It is the responsibility of each law enforcement agency to require, at a minimum, semi-annual firearms qualifications of all active members, one of which will be a low light firing for qualification. All qualifications shall be separated by a minimum period of three (3) months. 10.2.a. Each handgun qualification shall : 10.2.a.1 Be with the individual’s unmodified primary service handgun ; 10.2.a.2 Be on a course of fire requiring a minimum of thirty two (32) rounds ; 10.2.a.3 Range from a distance of no less than three yards to a minimum of fifteen yards ; 10.2.a.4 Be on a target.with a scoring area no larger than 468 square inches ; 10.2.a.5 Be conducted by a subcommittee approved firearms officer or firearms instructor ; 10.2.b. The minimum passing score for qualification shall be seventy-five percent (75%). 10.2.b.1 The qualification scores for each officer shall be submitted to the Subcommittee by the employing agency. Any law enforcement agency failing to report firearms qualification shall be listed in the annual report of Law Enforcement Professional Standards filed with the WV Legislature. 10.2.c. The guidelines listed in 10.2a – 10.2.b. shall be considered minimum standards and do not prohibit any law enforcement agency from establishing more stringent qualification standards as an agency policy

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mountainman02 View Post
        The guidelines listed in 10.2a – 10.2.b. shall be considered minimum standards and do not prohibit any law enforcement agency from establishing more stringent qualification standards as an agency policy
        This is pretty much a standard. Illinois has the same language (I think in the Police Training Act) as it applies to firearms qualifications. There are usually no restrictions on the training aspect. If you are doing firearms training, your range officer can have you doing any number of things to improve your marksmanship and incorporating shoot / don't shoot scenarios.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mountainman02 View Post
          Did anyone's departments make you shoot so good with weak hand opposed to strong hand shooting.
          No, it wasn't my department that made me shoot better with my support/weak hand, but through the guidance of competent instructors and practicing made me a better shooter.

          If you are relying on your department to get you to the next level (unless your agency has awesome training department/staff with good budget), you'll just get "enough" training time to get you to meet that "minimal" standard set forth by your state's governing body.

          Good luck with your qualification and be safe!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by mountainman02 View Post
            I have to qualify for gun training for my department and am curious to see what everyone's experience has been. I am pretty accurate with shooting in traditional stances but lack some experience with shooting with my weak hand. Did anyone's departments make you shoot so good with weak hand opposed to strong hand shooting. This is just a basic officer qualification test. Thanks
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            • #7
              Originally posted by mountainman02 View Post
              I have to qualify for gun training for my department and am curious to see what everyone's experience has been. I am pretty accurate with shooting in traditional stances but lack some experience with shooting with my weak hand. Did anyone's departments make you shoot so good with weak hand opposed to strong hand shooting. This is just a basic officer qualification test. Thanks
              All of the weapons instructors I have been around are real good at teaching skills. (well , most of them anyway---in 40 yrs I have had more than a couple instructors )

              However most don't have the time to really TEACH anything at qualification time. That is done in the basic CLASS INSTRUCTION.

              You should have plenty of instruction time prior to actual qualification----------my state has a total of 40 hrs of classroom BEFORE hitting the range......................


              Our state mandated qualification course has weak hand shooting at a couple stations (including 25 yrds) and requires an 80% score to qualify (50 rounds)




              Originally posted by mountainman02 View Post
              Here is some information pertaining to firearms qualification standards



              §149-2-10. Annual In-Service Training Curriculum 10.2. It is the responsibility of each law enforcement agency to require, at a minimum, semi-annual firearms qualifications of all active members, one of which will be a low light firing for qualification. All qualifications shall be separated by a minimum period of three (3) months. 10.2.a. Each handgun qualification shall : 10.2.a.1 Be with the individual’s unmodified primary service handgun ; 10.2.a.2 Be on a course of fire requiring a minimum of thirty two (32) rounds ; 10.2.a.3 Range from a distance of no less than three yards to a minimum of fifteen yards ; 10.2.a.4 Be on a target.with a scoring area no larger than 468 square inches ; 10.2.a.5 Be conducted by a subcommittee approved firearms officer or firearms instructor ; 10.2.b. The minimum passing score for qualification shall be seventy-five percent (75%). 10.2.b.1 The qualification scores for each officer shall be submitted to the Subcommittee by the employing agency. Any law enforcement agency failing to report firearms qualification shall be listed in the annual report of Law Enforcement Professional Standards filed with the WV Legislature. 10.2.c. The guidelines listed in 10.2a – 10.2.b. shall be considered minimum standards and do not prohibit any law enforcement agency from establishing more stringent qualification standards as an agency policy
              This is an INSERVICE training NOT a basic training Curriculum...............


              Originally posted by slamdunc View Post

              I have worked and / or trained with several departments over the years and find there are a percentage of officers who look forward to range days and others who literally dread it.
              Hate qualification day with a passion. Don't mind shooting...............detest quals. Don't even like the fun stuff we do at qual day..................

              Now that I am retired & not sworn I go in --------------fire a round (or two if my timing is off) and go home
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              • #8
                I've always self-trained in weak-hand shooting.
                Our regular dept quals in both strong and weak with sidearm and patrol rifle.

                ...shooting weak side with an AR requires a lot of practice to just get the weapon in the proper position!
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                • #9
                  I qualified today for the gun qualification for my department... I did mostly regular stance shooting, a few drills with my heart rate up, strong hand shooting and we did a couple additional week hand shooting drills and it went very well. I think the farthest I shot was about 25 feet. Thanks for everyone's input.

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                  • #10
                    Firearms should have you doing barricade, kneeling, standing, weak side (1 and 2 handed), strong side (1 and 2 handed), hip fire, failure drills...
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